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 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Brodyshaw   (Member)

I've yet to receive mine and ordered it directly from Varese on the 10th. I've seen no emails or confirmations but I've played 1941 out to death and now I'm ready to play this one out as well!

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

1941 and Family Plot have gotten me really jazzed for some more Williams releases. Hopefully my Midway ships soon, but if not...well, War Horse and Tin Tin are just around the corner smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)

Let's see: People have posted to gripe that they're not interested in this CD. Some won't buy it because it's a short score. (I guess running time impacts the quality of the music.) We've got the people who hate this score, and remind us they won't be purchasing it because it's only 37 minutes (of disliked music.) Cue the Annie Hall monologue: "This food is TERRIBLE. And such SMALL portions!" This is in contrast to the people who recently took the time to inform us that they hated "1941" - and loathed it even more because there was 80 minutes of it. And my very favorite (and I paraphrase) "I can't stand this boring sneaking around-ish music that goes no where…and how dare Varese not include both the original and the re-rec on one recording?" That's right, this label is obligated to offer you twice as much of the music you dislike and don't intend to order.

I don't think I've yet written a post to gripe about the attitudes in this forum but I had to step up for once and get it off my chest. For those who bothered to post with an upbeat, grateful or constructive attitude, thanks for being among those who keep me hanging out here when I'm close to giving up hope. Sarge, if you're reading this, I REALLY enjoyed your recent post.

I've said this before: for decades, many of us couldn't even dream of these sort of releases. In particular, (as a fan of Mr. Williams' work since "Lost In Space"), I am astounded and overwhelmingly grateful that the majority of his music has been offered to us, whether in their original, wonderful LP versions, remasters, expansions, C&Cs, re-issues, special editions and more. For almost as long as I can remember, this man's body of work has provided me joy and has been among the most significant pleasures of my life. And thanks to the efforts and passion of the hardworking and underpaid people at these Film Score labels, I have a couple of shelves with nearly every note this guy has written. There's so much to enjoy. Why do so few seem to take any pleasure from this stuff? Having a forum to share gripes and praise is part of the fun, and a dream come true. But why participate if it's almost exclusively to bitch? For those who are never pleased, try not to lose focus on what a wonderful thing has come to pass. We have a community, what a gift! And honestly, who ever dreamed they'd see in a lifetime the sort of releases we have enjoyed in just the past 6 months - and now take for granted. I'm not trying to be a hypocrite by being negative myself. The vast majority of my posts are about gratitude, not complaints.

As for "Midway", warmest thanks to Varese for this. I'd never expect anyone to enjoy as much (or as many aspects) of Williams' music as I do. But with the help of Varese, Lukas' FSM team, La La Land and the others, I can now take a journey from the early 60's all the way up to the present year with this remarkable artist, who has given us so much - for such an incredibly long time. Thinking of other artists I cherish, (Radiohead, The Beatles, Sondheim, Elliott Smith) their magnificent work is just a blip on the timeline that John Williams has been creating on. As one brief aside to the Tintin gripers…think about how rare and incredible an opportunity it is to have the chance to listen to something like "Penelope" - then maybe a "Midway" - and then listen to "Tintin"… and just freak out with the pleasurable awareness that fans have been so LUCKY to hear this artist's voice develop, evolve and somehow stay supremely consistent thru the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000s and now into another decade. I counted that out intentionally. I am humbled by artists of this stature - as well as the releases that bring their art into our lives. What we have been offered (on both counts) is a privilege, not our birthright.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   mrchriswell   (Member)

I remember when I thought a Silva produced suite would be the only way I'd ever get to hear/own music from a great many scores by Williams, Jarre, Goldsmith, Barry, etc. Never expected there would be a market for all the full-score CDs we've been getting from the specialty labels, and often in glorious digital sound. I'm even more appreciative now that I sense this little era of access and discovery may be slipping away. Not much to gripe about, really.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   nxbusby491   (Member)

jonnyquest! Excellent post. I look forward to every single Williams release. From the reissues of old scores, to his concert works and his film scores. And these days, with each new music that comes out, I find myself being a bit more appreciative.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)

Thank you nxbusby. I guess I finally just had to vent. I know lot of us are appreciative!

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

I guess I finally just had to vent. I know lot of us are appreciative!

Amen, jonnyquest, to your original post as well.
I received my CD yesterday and love it! It's been a long wait, but well worth it. I think the price was a bargain.
I now have both the re-release and this one and treasure both. I would have preferred if Track 17 had not been a "medley" but it's no big deal. For my mp3 player I used Audacity to separate and reorder these in their "proper" sequence because I'm a little chronology obsessed.
Thanks, Varese!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)

I used Audacity to separate and reorder these in their "proper" sequence because I'm a little chronology obsessed.


Thanks jackfu! Yeah, I know some disagree, but it's actually fun to be able to fiddle with the chronology if you like. It's about the music; as long as you enjoy it, that's all that matters.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Thinking of other artists I cherish, (Radiohead, The Beatles, Sondheim, Elliott Smith) their magnificent work is just a blip on the timeline that John Williams has been creating on.


Well, you could make a case for Sondheim, timeline-wise. Not as prolific as Johnny, I grant you. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)

Thinking of other artists I cherish, (Radiohead, The Beatles, Sondheim, Elliott Smith) their magnificent work is just a blip on the timeline that John Williams has been creating on.


Well, you could make a case for Sondheim, timeline-wise. Not as prolific as Johnny, I grant you. smile


In fact, after I posted, I thought the same thing! Sondheim has been active during pretty much the entire same period as Johnny. (50's thru present). And they're both titans in their fields. But Sondheim's last wholly original score was "Passion", all the way back in '94 (geeze, has it really been 17 years!). "Bounce" has started, stopped and changed so many times it almost doesn't qualify. But from '94 to present, JW has composed around 18 or 19 major scores, many of them Oscar-nominated as a further indication of their quality. Like you say, the man has been prolific for decades, even his detractors would allow that. Amazing, huh?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

Let's see: People have posted to gripe that they're not interested in this CD. Some won't buy it because it's a short score. (I guess running time impacts the quality of the music.) We've got the people who hate this score, and remind us they won't be purchasing it because it's only 37 minutes (of disliked music.) Cue the Annie Hall monologue: "This food is TERRIBLE. And such SMALL portions!" This is in contrast to the people who recently took the time to inform us that they hated "1941" - and loathed it even more because there was 80 minutes of it. And my very favorite (and I paraphrase) "I can't stand this boring sneaking around-ish music that goes no where…and how dare Varese not include both the original and the re-rec on one recording?" That's right, this label is obligated to offer you twice as much of the music you dislike and don't intend to order.

I don't think I've yet written a post to gripe about the attitudes in this forum but I had to step up for once and get it off my chest. For those who bothered to post with an upbeat, grateful or constructive attitude, thanks for being among those who keep me hanging out here when I'm close to giving up hope. Sarge, if you're reading this, I REALLY enjoyed your recent post.

I've said this before: for decades, many of us couldn't even dream of these sort of releases. In particular, (as a fan of Mr. Williams' work since "Lost In Space"), I am astounded and overwhelmingly grateful that the majority of his music has been offered to us, whether in their original, wonderful LP versions, remasters, expansions, C&Cs, re-issues, special editions and more. For almost as long as I can remember, this man's body of work has provided me joy and has been among the most significant pleasures of my life. And thanks to the efforts and passion of the hardworking and underpaid people at these Film Score labels, I have a couple of shelves with nearly every note this guy has written. There's so much to enjoy. Why do so few seem to take any pleasure from this stuff? Having a forum to share gripes and praise is part of the fun, and a dream come true. But why participate if it's almost exclusively to bitch? For those who are never pleased, try not to lose focus on what a wonderful thing has come to pass. We have a community, what a gift! And honestly, who ever dreamed they'd see in a lifetime the sort of releases we have enjoyed in just the past 6 months - and now take for granted. I'm not trying to be a hypocrite by being negative myself. The vast majority of my posts are about gratitude, not complaints.

As for "Midway", warmest thanks to Varese for this. I'd never expect anyone to enjoy as much (or as many aspects) of Williams' music as I do. But with the help of Varese, Lukas' FSM team, La La Land and the others, I can now take a journey from the early 60's all the way up to the present year with this remarkable artist, who has given us so much - for such an incredibly long time. Thinking of other artists I cherish, (Radiohead, The Beatles, Sondheim, Elliott Smith) their magnificent work is just a blip on the timeline that John Williams has been creating on. As one brief aside to the Tintin gripers…think about how rare and incredible an opportunity it is to have the chance to listen to something like "Penelope" - then maybe a "Midway" - and then listen to "Tintin"… and just freak out with the pleasurable awareness that fans have been so LUCKY to hear this artist's voice develop, evolve and somehow stay supremely consistent thru the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000s and now into another decade. I counted that out intentionally. I am humbled by artists of this stature - as well as the releases that bring their art into our lives. What we have been offered (on both counts) is a privilege, not our birthright.


Thank you, thank you, thank you! These are the smartest words I've read here in a long time.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

I second Luke and all the others - good post jquest!

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Thinking of other artists I cherish, (...Elliott Smith)

You have good taste!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   jonnyquest   (Member)

Thanks for the shoutout Luc, BDM and others. I guess my sentiments spoke for several of us.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

Midway arrived today, I'm enjoying listening to it right now, excellent sound indeed. I have to say John Williams music for this film sounds better than ever! Thanks Varese for this nice release.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I listened to it today. I regretted the fact that a few cues were lost in terms of their stereo versions and had to be presented out of sequence as monaural stems (including the end credits since I would have liked to have known how the cue actually finished as opposed to the fade-out we're used to) but it was great to finally have this material and I really enjoy the fact that it truly *complements* the RSNO version on all levels just like the RNSO versions of "Jaws" and "Superman" have always been seen by me as good complements to the original versions and give me good alternate takes on material I enjoy from films I have enjoyed for years.

Thanks again Varese! Now for unreleased 70s Universal movies all I've got left is "Airport"!

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2011 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   CCW1970   (Member)

Thanks for the shoutout Luc, BDM and others. I guess my sentiments spoke for several of us.

Indeed. Very well put. Thanks for posting it!

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2011 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

I received the Varese shipping confirmation
at last!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2011 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   Brodyshaw   (Member)

I got mine yesterday and immediately put it on! Here's one I never thought would see the light of day especially since we had the rerecording. I have to say, I have never been a fan of rerecordings at all mainly due to tempo differences. And boy, do we see a huge tempo difference with Prologue/Main Title. The OST version of the main title makes me want to go kick some serious butt!! I am sad that some of my favorite tracks in the score are mono but believe me I am not complaining. As it is, I am a bit sad knowing that really mainly all of the Golden Age Williams have finally seen the light of day. Now,I will just patiently wait for Dracula and hopefully the full remastered Jaws 2 which in my opinion is one of Williams' best scores ever!!! Every cue is simply amazing and blows the original score out of the water in my opinion!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2011 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

My only question is why nobody caught that the screenwriter is referred to as Donald S. Sanfords throughout the liner notes, even though it's correctly identified as Sanford on the credits reproduced at the end of the booklet. Guess none of the proofreaders are fans of the old Thriller TV series.

 
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