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 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

What DID you mean by someone at Disney treating fans “contemptuously” then?

Yavar


Well I'd have thought it was obvious. I think their treatment of soundtrack fans over the release of this soundtrack release is contemptuous (but I'm fine with you not agreeing). They obviously couldn't give a fuck, but their decisions over the past few years haven't been great (hence the $40 billion debt), & if you've given yourself the tough job of defending them. Good luck with that.


Contemptuous implies they think about you at all...which they don't.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

What DID you mean by someone at Disney treating fans “contemptuously” then?

Yavar


Well I'd have thought it was obvious. I think their treatment of soundtrack fans over the release of this soundtrack release is contemptuous (but I'm fine with you not agreeing). They obviously couldn't give a fuck, but their decisions over the past few years haven't been great (hence the $40 billion debt), & if you've given yourself the tough job of defending them. Good luck with that.


Contemptuous implies they think about you at all...which they don't.


yeah, excellent point.
There is waayy to much of that stuff going on with this and other issues these days

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


Disney isn't thinking or not thinking about the score fans. Its just a sign the wrong people are in charge which is the case across the board in all departments.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I kinda wonder if the Emporium is operated by a vendor.
Disney probably does not want anyone to know that, but it is possible.

They should really just vend out the whole music side to Intrada. Intrada does such an excellent job with all of their products. They are a terrific company, excellent service and delivery and packaging. And they already do some work for Disney Pixar.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The CD doesn't do the score true justice...

I agree, and I also prefer the isolated track overall... but it's worth pointing out that it, too, doesn't do the score true justice! There is some good/better music on the album which wasn't used in the film and therefore isn't on the iso. There's some good detailed discussion about this at JWFan...an example:

"Regardless, 2:28 to the end of the “Tuk Tuk Chase” OST track is one of my favorite spots on the album, and I’d even go so far as to say one of my favorite things from him in years. I was bummed it mostly didn’t make it into the film, but this is one of those cases where I think JW absolutely nailed the album track. So thankful that he put it on there."

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35614-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-blu-ray-to-feature-isolated-score-track/&do=findComment&comment=1997619

This is essentially a Phantom Menace situation, where we have two imperfect and incomplete sources each with advantages over the other. The mixes are different between the two and the Blu-ray iso track is at a very slightly different speed, so even trying to combine them together is tricky.

Hopefully one day this score and all the other Indiana Jones/Star Wars scores get the Mike Matessino treatment.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I kinda wonder if the Emporium is operated by a vendor.
Disney probably does not want anyone to know that, but it is possible.

They should really just vend out the whole music side to Intrada. Intrada does such an excellent job with all of their products. They are a terrific company, excellent service and delivery and packaging. And they already do some work for Disney Pixar.


Exactly, not only Intrada but other specialty labels that know the business and the market. While we’re talking, another Legacy Collection title is long overdue.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

the Blu-ray iso track is at a very slightly different speed

Interesting, how so?

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Jay explained just a little further down in that JWFan thread:
"The OST album presents the music as recorded. But blu rays present films at 23.976 frames per second instead of 24 frames per second, so the music in the isolated score is slightly too fast... the speed difference is soooooooooo slight it's nothing anyone would really notice... until you're trying to line up cues visually for editing."

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

Jay explained just a little further down in that JWFan thread:
"The OST album presents the music as recorded. But blu rays present films at 23.976 frames per second instead of 24 frames per second, so the music in the isolated score is slightly too fast... the speed difference is soooooooooo slight it's nothing anyone would really notice... until you're trying to line up cues visually for editing."

Yavar


Ah, I hadn't thought of that, thanks!

I think I've read that some Blu-Rays or 4K UHD Blu-Rays do present movies at full 24fps and not NTSC 23.976fps. Not sure how prevalent that is though.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2023 - 11:18 PM   
 By:   Manakin Skywalker   (Member)

Jay explained just a little further down in that JWFan thread:
"The OST album presents the music as recorded. But blu rays present films at 23.976 frames per second instead of 24 frames per second, so the music in the isolated score is slightly too fast... the speed difference is soooooooooo slight it's nothing anyone would really notice... until you're trying to line up cues visually for editing."

Yavar


Ah, I hadn't thought of that, thanks!

I think I've read that some Blu-Rays or 4K UHD Blu-Rays do present movies at full 24fps and not NTSC 23.976fps. Not sure how prevalent that is though.


I collect a lot of Blu-rays and 4K sets and rip the all to my PC; I've yet to come across a single release that is presented at 24fps. Every single one I own is at 23.976fps. Blu-ray does support 24fps, but if there are any releases that take advantage of that, there's not many of them.

Which is pretty strange considering most if not all of these films are shot and edited at 24fps. razz

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2023 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

after six weeks of waiting i am now the proud owner of
"Return of the JEdi"

i am so lucky frown

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2023 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

after six weeks of waiting i am now the proud owner of
"Return of the JEdi"

i am so lucky frown


Wow, unbelievable! eek Sorry to hear that. We feel your pain. frown

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2023 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

after six weeks of waiting i am now the proud owner of
"Return of the JEdi"

i am so lucky frown


What do you mean?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2023 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

after six weeks of waiting i am now the proud owner of
"Return of the JEdi"

i am so lucky frown


What do you mean?


People are getting SW Disney releases in error when ordering DoD.
One bloke got the actual damn Dial in this thread somewhere!

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2023 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

after six weeks of waiting i am now the proud owner of
"Return of the JEdi"

i am so lucky frown


What do you mean?


People are getting SW Disney releases in error when ordering DoD.
One bloke got the actual damn Dial in this thread somewhere!


Oh, wow, they order Dial of Destiny and get Return of the Jedi instead? That is bizarre.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2023 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I was one of the lucky people who could order during the first batch - then the package got lost, found and sent back to Disney. I requested they send it out again, which they did. In October.

I´m still waiting.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2023 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

after six weeks of waiting i am now the proud owner of
"Return of the JEdi"

i am so lucky frown


What do you mean?


People are getting SW Disney releases in error when ordering DoD.
One bloke got the actual damn Dial in this thread somewhere!


Oh, wow, they order Dial of Destiny and get Return of the Jedi instead? That is bizarre.


It actually happened to a handful of people here! I thoigh the first was a joke - until it happened again & again.

Reflective of the state of the state here...in the States! Service is in the toilet everywhere, young people are mostly Borg-like zombies here, uninterested in working. Those cats are likely the ones who stumbled round the DME Warehouse throwing anything William's into a mailer!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2023 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Andy   (Member)

or someone there was aware of the "new" value, grab another spindel of cds and take the Indiana Scores home to sell them for high prices

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2023 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

Not a problem for those who say all John Williams scores sound the same.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2023 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   NO NAME   (Member)

after six weeks of waiting i am now the proud owner of
"Return of the JEdi"

i am so lucky frown


Wow, unbelievable! eek Sorry to hear that. We feel your pain. frown


You're lucky, i ordered it and i received INDIANA JONES 5 ? Unreal...

 
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