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Um... correction. William Ross "adapted" that music. Those pieces were "composed" by John Williams for RAIDERS and 1941.
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I thought their motto was-
"If at first you don't succeed, send them Jedi, instead."
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Unfortunately, the other Indiana Jones thread got locked, because people lost their danged minds.
However I did want to reply to the comment I made there last summer about the film's likely financial loss.
I got a lot of flack for assuming at the time that it would lose about $200 million, but it was still in theaters at the time, and I said we'd need to wait until the end of the year, for Deadline's analysis (imperfect as it may be) to have a better idea of the film's exact financial loss:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=29&threadID=143613&archive=0
I wrote:
"Whether Indy 5 ends up the biggest money loser ever, or in the top 5, is something we'll see at the end of the year, when Deadline does a full analysis of the film, which will include TV rights and such, but at this point it will definitely be in the top 10 money-losing films of all time."
and
"As I pointed out, we'll have the most accurate numbers about just how disastrous it was when Deadline does its annual review of the year's biggest financial failures in December."
It turns out, I was slightly off, but not that far. Deadline estimates the film lost $143 million,
https://deadline.com/2024/05/biggest-box-office-bombs-2023-lowest-grossing-movies-1235902825/
That places it at #14 on the Wikipedia list of biggest financial losses of all time, not within the top 10, but still really unfortunate. However, some of the films higher than it have an ENORMOUS range in their estimates, and Wikipedia goes with the highest number for all of those ranges. Going by an average of the ones with ranges, Dial of Destiny would actually be #9 on the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs
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Loving the film and the score, and not owning any Disney stock, I can only state the film was a major success with me.
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Aye.
Quite a few accountants here at FSM, letting their falling stock levels affect their judgement of popcorn entertainment.
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Aye.
Quite a few accountants here at FSM, letting their falling stock levels affect their judgement of popcorn entertainment.
The reason for film fans to pay attention to the box office is that when a certain film, or type of film, flops, it means the studio will be too afraid to greenlight a similar film again.
The numbers are relevant to any fan, not just to accountants and shareholders.
Granted, here, it's less of an issue, because there was never any chance of a 6th Indiana Jones film, but still, it's sad to see a once-beloved franchise be so totally dismissed by younger moviegoers. They were the ones who didn't show up, according to the breakdowns by age that were published.
Had the film been a financial success, I'll bet we'd have seen a LOT more Indiana Jones merch though. Who knows, we might have gotten expanded CDs to tie in with the home video release, instead of repackaged ones.
I suspect the abject financial failure of the new film will temper Disney's interest in revisiting anything connected with the franchise.
Paramount still owns the original four films, but as far as I understand it, Lucasfilm owned the scores and the soundtracks, and they all transferred to Disney when it bought Lucasfilm.
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Aye.
Quite a few accountants here at FSM, letting their falling stock levels affect their judgement of popcorn entertainment.
The reason for film fans to pay attention to the box office is that when a certain film, or type of film, flops, it means the studio will be too afraid to greenlight a similar film again.
The numbers are relevant to any fan, not just to accountants and shareholders.
Granted, here, it's less of an issue, because there was never any chance of a 6th Indiana Jones film, but still, it's sad to see a once-beloved franchise be so totally dismissed by younger moviegoers. They were the ones who didn't show up, according to the breakdowns by age that were published.
Had the film been a financial success, I'll bet we'd have seen a LOT more Indiana Jones merch though. Who knows, we might have gotten expanded CDs to tie in with the home video release, instead of repackaged ones.
I suspect the abject financial failure of the new film will temper Disney's interest in revisiting anything connected with the franchise.
Paramount still owns the original four films, but as far as I understand it, Lucasfilm owned the scores and the soundtracks, and they all transferred to Disney when it bought Lucasfilm.
That is true.
But whether it was this film or its predecessor being responsible - audiences in a still pandemic situation last year just did not respond as well as, um, I did, for example. Well, different times, different audiences.
They will reboot sooner or later. For better or worse (probably the latter).
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May 3, 2024 - 11:32 AM
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Aye.
Quite a few accountants here at FSM, letting their falling stock levels affect their judgement of popcorn entertainment.
The reason for film fans to pay attention to the box office is that when a certain film, or type of film, flops, it means the studio will be too afraid to greenlight a similar film again.
The numbers are relevant to any fan, not just to accountants and shareholders.
Granted, here, it's less of an issue, because there was never any chance of a 6th Indiana Jones film, but still, it's sad to see a once-beloved franchise be so totally dismissed by younger moviegoers. They were the ones who didn't show up, according to the breakdowns by age that were published.
Had the film been a financial success, I'll bet we'd have seen a LOT more Indiana Jones merch though. Who knows, we might have gotten expanded CDs to tie in with the home video release, instead of repackaged ones.
I suspect the abject financial failure of the new film will temper Disney's interest in revisiting anything connected with the franchise.
Paramount still owns the original four films, but as far as I understand it, Lucasfilm owned the scores and the soundtracks, and they all transferred to Disney when it bought Lucasfilm.
The intent was to turn this into the Fleabag show. I think every gets Ford is way to old to be doing these movies now.
(I thought that 15 years ago)
That's not to say the fandom for the franchise is dead. There's a ton of new IJ's merch out there. No surprise most of it based on the first two films.
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whether it was this film or its predecessor being responsible - audiences in a still pandemic situation last year just did not respond as well as, um, I did, for example. Well, different times, different audiences.
They will reboot sooner or later. For better or worse (probably the latter).
I don't totally blame the pandemic for Dial of Density's financial failure. Plenty of films were juggernaut hits much earlier, like that Spiderman movie with all the old Spidermen.
Young audiences just had zero interest in Indy, sadly.
Disney may reboot it in some form at some point, but with the clear failure of the intended handoff of the franchise to Fleabag, I think it'll be a while until they touch this property again.
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The intent was to turn this into the Fleabag show. I think every gets Ford is way to old to be doing these movies now.
(I thought that 15 years ago)
That's not to say the fandom for the franchise is dead. There's a ton of new IJ's merch out there. No surprise most of it based on the first two films.
Yep, no matter how much the people involved deny that was the intention, I agree, the movie was clearly designed to set her up to carry future films.
It felt like they wanted to set up her young sidekick for those future films too, but his character was so blandly written, and the child actor was so forgettable, that they failed there too.
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May 3, 2024 - 6:57 PM
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Ado
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whether it was this film or its predecessor being responsible - audiences in a still pandemic situation last year just did not respond as well as, um, I did, for example. Well, different times, different audiences.
They will reboot sooner or later. For better or worse (probably the latter).
I don't totally blame the pandemic for Dial of Density's financial failure. Plenty of films were juggernaut hits much earlier, like that Spiderman movie with all the old Spidermen.
Young audiences just had zero interest in Indy, sadly.
Disney may reboot it in some form at some point, but with the clear failure of the intended handoff of the franchise to Fleabag, I think it'll be a while until they touch this property again.
That last Spiderman film was such an incredibly, entirely, over-rated film. It is entirely fan boy, such an odd script, basically counting on the fundamental stupidity of Dr Strange and the Holland character to be so stupid and inept to set up the entire story. It is a massively overpraised film, bizarrely and irrationally successful commercially. It is the old, 'no accounting for tastes.'
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