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 Posted:   May 3, 2024 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

That last Spiderman film was such an incredibly, entirely, over-rated film. It is entirely fan boy, such an odd script, basically counting on the fundamental stupidity of Dr Strange and the Holland character to be so stupid and inept to set up the entire story. It is a massively overpraised film, bizarrely and irrationally successful commercially. It is the old, 'no accounting for tastes.'

I agree, but it was a massive financial hit, and Indy 5 wasn't, unfortunately.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2024 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

That last Spiderman film was such an incredibly, entirely, over-rated film. It is entirely fan boy, such an odd script, basically counting on the fundamental stupidity of Dr Strange and the Holland character to be so stupid and inept to set up the entire story. It is a massively overpraised film, bizarrely and irrationally successful commercially. It is the old, 'no accounting for tastes.'

I agree, but it was a massive financial hit, and Indy 5 wasn't, unfortunately.

oh of course, but, ironically, and I know this will make heads spin, Dial is a better film, granted not a perfect film by any means. It has at least some story to tell, and some characters that are not written, on purpose, to be stupid to make the story happen. It feels far less a film that is put together from a fanboy wish list like Spiderman. But of course, that is exactly why Indy Dial was not a huge success, they wanted that fanboy wish list, they deny it, but really, that is what they wanted.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2024 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I know some people enjoyed DOD but in the end the majority of the fan base didn’t care for the film, nor did the movie attract a new generation of fans.

I never saw the last Spidey movie , I think the entire cast are dull and uninteresting and they didn’t win me over after two films.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2024 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   drop_forge   (Member)

That last Spiderman film was such an incredibly, entirely, over-rated film. It is entirely fan boy, such an odd script, basically counting on the fundamental stupidity of Dr Strange and the Holland character to be so stupid and inept to set up the entire story. It is a massively overpraised film, bizarrely and irrationally successful commercially. It is the old, 'no accounting for tastes.'

In a nutshell, typically MCU.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2024 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   richsto   (Member)

That last Spiderman film was such an incredibly, entirely, over-rated film. It is entirely fan boy, such an odd script, basically counting on the fundamental stupidity of Dr Strange and the Holland character to be so stupid and inept to set up the entire story. It is a massively overpraised film, bizarrely and irrationally successful commercially. It is the old, 'no accounting for tastes.'

In a nutshell, typically MCU.



Agree but it WAS fun. smile

Felt similar with Dial of Destiny but since we are talking about the score it’s holding up as one of my favorites, a “comfort” food of sorts. It’s not an outstanding score but somehow that cd just ends up in my cd player all the time.

Rich

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2024 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

That last Spiderman film was such an incredibly, entirely, over-rated film. It is entirely fan boy, such an odd script, basically counting on the fundamental stupidity of Dr Strange and the Holland character to be so stupid and inept to set up the entire story. It is a massively overpraised film, bizarrely and irrationally successful commercially. It is the old, 'no accounting for tastes.'

In a nutshell, typically MCU.



Agree but it WAS fun. smile

Felt similar with Dial of Destiny but since we are talking about the score it’s holding up as one of my favorites, a “comfort” food of sorts. It’s not an outstanding score but somehow that cd just ends up in my cd player all the time.

Rich


It is a very nice score, it sounds wonderful on CD on a real sound system, a great recording

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2024 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Eh ya know, I found Spider-Man: No Way Home to be a very enjoyable experience and it does have a nice story that holds up on the small screen. Agreed, it was a fanboy wishlist - this is exactly what the MCU is doing with the multi-verse (don't get me started on Deadpool 3). But once you get past the idiocy of the setup, it has a wonderfully emotional story and it gives all three Spider-Man actors a lot of great material.

However, if you're not emotionally invested in those guys, there's nothing to dig into. I was. I enjoyed Tobey Maguire but really loved Andrew Garfield in his films and his version in particular always lacked closure.

Having said that, I never had a connection with the MCU supporting cast other than May and making this a three film origin with May taking the Uncle Ben place in the story was inspired and heartbreaking because we had three movies with her. The ending was satisfying because it made Peter a loner, set up the "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man" that we should have had the whole time, and put him in a place for a fresh start.

He won't get it. I'm sure they'll cave and bring everyone back if the ever do more of these, but I would rather Peter get a new cast with people we haven't seen yet. If they don't do more, then I'm good, This was a great conclusion.

DoD was two movies too far, the Indiana Jones film nobody really asked for. The one without two creative forces of the rest of the series (and these are not minor losses). The one that pushed it a little too much into weirdness (for some reason actual time travel was harder to swallow than religion, superstition and aliens). It was fine, but it was forgettable and lacked the balls to actually let Indy die in the past. Phoebe Waller-Bridge was an unlikable female lead and the film, which should have been rousing, felt artificial and sometimes depressing. The best part was the flashback intro and even with one or two near misses, the de-aging was the best I've seen. I could have watched a whole movie of just that.

The score was lackluster and a pastiche of other films. Especially the actual film version. It felt like a fan film editing job, of what Michael Thau did for the Superman II Richard Donner Cut. However, John Williams is John Williams and it's not bad and at his age, he is still able to make a beautiful melody. He's a lovely human being who I hope lives forever.

Spider-Man deserved it's money. DoD just wasn't good enough and it happened too late for anyone to care. It earned its own fate.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2024 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I‘m glad they did NOT let Indy die - what a useless ploy to kill the major character, who wants to see that?

As for the quick reflex of hating „fan service“ - I am a fan, I want these films to service me.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2024 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I‘m glad they did NOT let Indy die - what a useless ploy to kill the major character, who wants to see that?

As for the quick reflex of hating „fan service“ - I am a fan, I want these films to service me.


Well, the problem is that when the movies are fan service they basically become pretty stupid and narrow. But, yes, I am sure they make you happy. I think if you asked 100 indy fans to write a script, all 100 scripts would be a completely hot mess of high school level nonsense.

Some of the best decisions in Star Trek, just for an example, were completely ignoring what their fans wanted, and pissed them off enormously. Those decisions were some of the best thing they ever did in Trek.

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2024 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)

I‘m glad they did NOT let Indy die - what a useless ploy to kill the major character, who wants to see that?


I take it you've never seen ROBIN AND MARIAN?

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2024 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I‘m glad they did NOT let Indy die - what a useless ploy to kill the major character, who wants to see that?


I take it you've never seen ROBIN AND MARIAN?


or the most loved Trek film ever, The Wrath of Khan, and yes, it really, really pissed off the fans

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2024 - 6:38 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I‘m glad they did NOT let Indy die - what a useless ploy to kill the major character, who wants to see that?


I take it you've never seen ROBIN AND MARIAN?


or the most loved Trek film ever, The Wrath of Khan, and yes, it really, really pissed off the fans


Hey buddy! So did THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and that’s arguably the most loved STAR WARS film.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2024 - 7:06 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I‘m glad they did NOT let Indy die - what a useless ploy to kill the major character, who wants to see that?


I take it you've never seen ROBIN AND MARIAN?


or the most loved Trek film ever, The Wrath of Khan, and yes, it really, really pissed off the fans


Hey buddy! So did THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and that’s arguably the most loved STAR WARS film.


Hey Buddy, exactly, it is the most loved Star Wars film

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2024 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I‘m glad they did NOT let Indy die - what a useless ploy to kill the major character, who wants to see that?


I take it you've never seen ROBIN AND MARIAN?


I love that Lester film. But you cannot compare a long-time franchise hero famous for his resilience and a drama about the stubborn resistance of a man‘s acceptance of age and death.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2024 - 10:45 PM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I‘m glad they did NOT let Indy die - what a useless ploy to kill the major character, who wants to see that?


I take it you've never seen ROBIN AND MARIAN?


or the most loved Trek film ever, The Wrath of Khan, and yes, it really, really pissed off the fans


It did, so they added that shot on Genesis and made the next film about the character coming back.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2024 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

I‘m glad they did NOT let Indy die - what a useless ploy to kill the major character, who wants to see that?


I take it you've never seen ROBIN AND MARIAN?


or the most loved Trek film ever, The Wrath of Khan, and yes, it really, really pissed off the fans


Hey buddy! So did THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and that’s arguably the most loved STAR WARS film.


Imagine if at the end of ROTJ they would have made Luke and/or Han die. Which would have been the equivalent of letting Indy die at the end of his last movie.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2024 - 1:28 AM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

Imagine if at the end of ROTJ they would have made Luke and/or Han die. Which would have been the equivalent of letting Indy die at the end of his last movie.

I dunno, I think the equivalent would have been having Han die at the end of a sequel many years later...

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2024 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Just let it all die!

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2024 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Imagine if at the end of ROTJ they would have made Luke and/or Han die. Which would have been the equivalent of letting Indy die at the end of his last movie.

I dunno, I think the equivalent would have been having Han die at the end of a sequel many years later...


Han was only a supporting role in TFA.

 
 
 Posted:   May 6, 2024 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

Imagine if at the end of ROTJ they would have made Luke and/or Han die. Which would have been the equivalent of letting Indy die at the end of his last movie.

I dunno, I think the equivalent would have been having Han die at the end of a sequel many years later...


Han was only a supporting role in TFA.


And yet he was still the most interesting character in it. smile

 
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