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May 6, 2024 - 3:25 PM
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Zoragoth
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Imagine if at the end of ROTJ they would have made Luke and/or Han die. Which would have been the equivalent of letting Indy die at the end of his last movie.
I dunno, I think the equivalent would have been having Han die at the end of a sequel many years later...
Ironically, I'm not a STAR WARS fan or a big Harrison Ford fan, but Solo's death was a huge disappointment to me. Doubly ironically, I always found the 'young trio' from the original trilogy to be the weakest link in the films (along with the story telling, generally, especially the 2nd and 3rd films) - poorly, archly written, stiffly acted (by actors who actually later proved themselves to be very good actors!). So this new trilogy comes along, where these characters would be more interesting, more seasoned, and all Abrams etc and think to to is kill them off (well, with Solo and Luke - Carrie Fisher's premature death being beyond their control) so as to keep the focus on the even more bland and dull younger generation. Talk about creative bankruptcy!
So, all along my motivation for seeing these has been the music and the FX and production values. On those fronts, as a moviegoer I've seldom been disappointed....
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I‘m glad they did NOT let Indy die - what a useless ploy to kill the major character, who wants to see that?.
I don't entirely disagree, especially since the climax of No Time To Die is the main reason why I don't revisit that otherwise very enjoyable James Bond movie.
But honestly DoD felt pointless from the get-go. Indiana Jones had a fine conclusion in 1989 but at least Crystal Skull gave him Marion and a family. So he had two good endings. This was the movie nobody seemed to ask for.
By not having Indy die, we had to some how accept "Wombat" punched him so damned hard, he was knocked out, brought back through time, treated and then hauled all the way back to his apartment where he finally woke up.
Meh. Indy's death would have been a bold choice in an otherwise forgettable film. YMMV.
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May 6, 2024 - 6:40 PM
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Ado
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Imagine if at the end of ROTJ they would have made Luke and/or Han die. Which would have been the equivalent of letting Indy die at the end of his last movie.
I dunno, I think the equivalent would have been having Han die at the end of a sequel many years later...
Ironically, I'm not a STAR WARS fan or a big Harrison Ford fan, but Solo's death was a huge disappointment to me. Doubly ironically, I always found the 'young trio' from the original trilogy to be the weakest link in the films (along with the story telling, generally, especially the 2nd and 3rd films) - poorly, archly written, stiffly acted (by actors who actually later proved themselves to be very good actors!). So this new trilogy comes along, where these characters would be more interesting, more seasoned, and all Abrams etc and think to to is kill them off (well, with Solo and Luke - Carrie Fisher's premature death being beyond their control) to as to keep the focus on the even more bland and dull younger generation. Talk about creative bankruptcy!
So, all along my motivation for seeing these has been the music and the FX and production values. On those fronts, as a moviegoer I've seldom been disappointed....
You are not wrong. But, people who thought Star Wars films were well written and acted = 0.(Except Empire) But, it was never really that important to the success of the thing, Lucas knew that. He sometimes used excellent experienced actors, and treated them like potted plants. And it has never really made much of a difference to the longevity of the franchise.
As far as Ford, I understand that he wanted to be offed to put Solo to rest.
Of course, they would later make Solo, with that pip-squeak, nasal actor, riffing his way through that movie about, well.. nothing.
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May 7, 2024 - 10:05 AM
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Imagine if at the end of ROTJ they would have made Luke and/or Han die. Which would have been the equivalent of letting Indy die at the end of his last movie.
I dunno, I think the equivalent would have been having Han die at the end of a sequel many years later...
Ironically, I'm not a STAR WARS fan or a big Harrison Ford fan, but Solo's death was a huge disappointment to me. Doubly ironically, I always found the 'young trio' from the original trilogy to be the weakest link in the films (along with the story telling, generally, especially the 2nd and 3rd films) - poorly, archly written, stiffly acted (by actors who actually later proved themselves to be very good actors!). So this new trilogy comes along, where these characters would be more interesting, more seasoned, and all Abrams etc and think to to is kill them off (well, with Solo and Luke - Carrie Fisher's premature death being beyond their control) so as to keep the focus on the even more bland and dull younger generation. Talk about creative bankruptcy!
The sequel trilogy is nothing more than (very) expensive fanfic. It literally feels like they're making it up as they go along.
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The sequel trilogy is nothing more than (very) expensive fanfic. It literally feels like they're making it up as they go along.
I think that's because they were. 
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May 10, 2024 - 10:45 AM
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SchiffyM
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They don’t seem to have a fundamental understanding of the universe. Maybe your friends do but to many of the projects demonstrates the IP is misunderstood or intentionally altered to fit a new narrative.
Solium, I'm not sure what fundamental lacking you're bemoaning, but of course you're welcome to your opinion. Personally, I like this universe, and am open to various interpretations. It can be many things, and some recent ones work great (I think "Andor" is fantastic, a show with no Jedi, but I'm hoping for good things from "The Acolyte," an all-Jedi show). Others are less to my taste ("Ahsoka" had promise, most of which went unrealized, I thought).
But I don't think "Star Wars" is or can be one thing. And it honestly never was. I'm old enough to remember the betrayal many fans felt when The Empire Strikes Back came out. Everybody piles on Disney, but under Lucas, "Star Wars" was three movies (revised later, with very mixed results), then three very different (to me, frustrating) movies, and also two terrible "Ewoks" TV movies, a weird animated "Droids" show, a "Clone Wars" animated movie and show that took a very long time to get its footing, and more (I'll leave out the holiday special, because that would be playing dirty).
Anyway, we all have our opinions, and they're all valid. I just wish people didn't default to the assumption that the projects we don't like are a product of contempt.
And that's all I have to say about the Indiana Jones 5 physical album.
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The Last Jedi which is by far the worst SW movie ever.
I can have conversations about the flaws of The Last Jedi, but I just can’t take this opinion seriously, especially when the prequel trilogy (to say nothing of the animated Clone Wars movie) exists.
I understand why the film is divisive I guess, but there are so many objectively strong elements of it. And at least Rian Johnson had a real vision besides just the nostalgia bait of the Abrams films on either side of it. For me it’s the best of the sequel trilogy by far and I wish he’d been able to make all three films rather than being stuck with the launching off point he was given from The Force Awakens and that haters bizarrely blame him for. It’s Abrams who decided to have Luke in exile and virtually absent from the first film, and not have the original trio together before they started being killed off.
Yavar
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The Last Jedi which is by far the worst SW movie ever.
I can have conversations about the flaws of The Last Jedi, but I just can’t take this opinion seriously, especially when the prequel trilogy (to say nothing of the animated Clone Wars movie) exists.
I understand why the film is divisive I guess, but there are so many objectively strong elements of it. And at least Rian Johnson had a real vision besides just the nostalgia bait of the Abrams films on either side of it. For me it’s the best of the sequel trilogy by far and I wish he’d been able to make all three films rather than being stuck with the launching off point he was given from The Force Awakens and that haters bizarrely blame him for. It’s Abrams who decided to have Luke in exile and virtually absent from the first film, and not have the original trio together before they started being killed off.
Yavar
Perfectly stated.
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