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 Posted:   Dec 11, 2014 - 6:32 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I want to add my comments regarding the ENTERPRISE set. I picked it up while I was at Creature Features this week to also get my copy of the "Return To Tomorrow" book. I hadn't watched much of ENTERPRISE past the first season and a half, then only seeing the final two episodes of the show. So this is basically a 4-disc set of almost all new TREK music for me and it's been a really excellent listen thus far.

I'm a big fan of a lot of McCarthy and Chattaway's scores for TNG and DS9 and boy, did they really cut loose on ENT. The McCarthy disc features some of his most propulsive action music, such as for "The Expanse" and "Twilight". The Chattaway disc opens with some really cool synth effects with orchestra in "Civilization" plus that ballsy Western score "North Star" and lengthy action cue for "Zero Hour".

The third disc is a very entertaining and varied mix from the other series composers. McKenzie's "Horizon" is a great Goldsmith-styled score, the "Dear Doctor" theme is a winner and the cello solo heard in "Vox Solo" seems inspired by George Duning TOS scores of the past. The Velton Ray Bunch selections are all good, he really stretched out compositionally in the show, it seems. A really worthwhile set thus far!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   DanH   (Member)


It was the same size orchestra as just a about every other orchestral score for the series.

Ford A. Thaxton


So about 45 players (minus Brian Tyler playing another 12 instruments)? That's just amazing how he got such a big sound from so few players. Most blockbusters these days do sound as big as his score.

Speaking of which, I firmly believed the best music in the modern Trek era was those first 4 seasons of TNG before the Bermanizer took full effect. They had an epic scope to them that was rendered out of them to be bland. Even McCarthy's Generations score wasn't as thrilling as the one he wrote for Encounter at Farpoint or Arsenal of Freedom that we thankfully got this year.

DS9 edged closer, but still sounded a bit hemmed in. They got to cut loose a little more, but there's still quite a bit of drone. I assume it'll be the same story for Voyager, but I'll reserve comment for that when we get it.

I think this Enterprise set made me eat my words a bit, and for that I'm elated. While I wish they didn't have to go synths for the last season, they still every bit as much energy and soul that those early TNG scores had that I loved so much.

I love the comment Jay Chattaway made in the liner notes that his "new sound" was a tape of all the bits they made him cut out in earlier years. Everything came together and the Chattaway disc is probably my favorite out of all of them in this set. It burns that he was really this great all along and had to mellow out his sound. You could sense that from Tin Man, but Enterprise finally allowed to bring this sound back (and can we get that cut material from Tin Man he mentioned in the Season 5 TNG bluray set please?). He's got that gift that Ron Jones has where he can marry the orchestra and the synths to where they aren't fighting one another, but blend perfectly together providing much more depth than either side had alone.

Watching the episodes that Velton Ray Bunch scored made me want the soundtracks right there. I really would have loved hearing him uncorked. He's easily the best thing Scott Bakula added to the show.

I do feel a small amount of shame in admitting this, but can I keep my man card and still say I loved Twilight? smile

All in all, thanks for finally getting this to us, and when's Volume 2? There's still a lot more good stuff you had to leave off....

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Was all of ENT season 4 synth? I haven' t watched the show in a while.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

Batman scores, Shaft & Passion arrives!

Day 1 - Shaft.
It's really cool score. I love Mr. Arnold's music exactly for such arrangement - they contain both melodic elements and aggressive drums. Plus 70s-like guitars - super sound!
It's you happiness that you don't see me while I listen this score - my family would think that I'm going crazy big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Was all of ENT season 4 synth? I haven' t watched the show in a while.

No, some episodes were done electronically, but others were a mix of the two elements and there were a number of full Orchestra scores as well.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

Listening to the new Batman I am presented with somewhat of a conundrum.

For the most part I would definitely say the new Batman release as a whole has overall better sound quality than the original release, but I guess I'm more so confused as to why some things have been gained but others lost. There is new clarity brought out and elements not heard before. But for example, Main Title-on the new release is luckily clip free now, but overall has more noticeable background noise... compared to the original there doesn't appear to be hardly any bass, and at 0:48 when it kicks off oddly the percussion is heavily dialed back here now. It just feels like the orchestra is further away in the new release. And similarly another example is during Shootout-on the new release seems to have lost the piano element at 2:53-3:02, but otherwise is much better here than the original.

I haven't listened and compared everything yet, but these are my first impressions. Mr. Bulk, thoughts?

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 1:00 AM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

"Main Title" is a previously unreleased mix, designated "70mm" on all our tapes. The "35mm" mix is closer to the film version (it may be the film version) and is the "alt 2" on disc 2. The reason for that decision is because we used the "35mm" mix there in 2010. It's the same take (note the squeak at the start, it's there in the movie, too) just a different mix.

The film version of "Shootout" does not have a piano, as mentioned in the notes. I was surprised to discover that when I was putting this together. It's prominent on the album but it's not used in the film. I compared the mixes to the film stem and you could actually see the piano hits in the waveform on the album but not on the stem or the film mix.

Neil

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 2:25 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

(note the squeak at the start, it's there in the movie, too)

I love details like this, meaning I love when these things are pointed out. Music Detectives!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

"Main Title" is a previously unreleased mix, designated "70mm" on all our tapes. The "35mm" mix is closer to the film version (it may be the film version) and is the "alt 2" on disc 2. The reason for that decision is because we used the "35mm" mix there in 2010. It's the same take (note the squeak at the start, it's there in the movie, too) just a different mix.

The film version of "Shootout" does not have a piano, as mentioned in the notes. I was surprised to discover that when I was putting this together. It's prominent on the album but it's not used in the film. I compared the mixes to the film stem and you could actually see the piano hits in the waveform on the album but not on the stem or the film mix.

Neil


Thanks for the clarification, Neil. I guess I should have looked at the notes, but went straight to the music first. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)


Thanks for the clarification, Neil. I guess I should have looked at the notes, but went straight to the music first. smile


My set arrived yesterday, so I only rip all CDs (and listened several tracks - Batwing I, for example).
But I briefly examined notes - in my memory they are COMPLETELY the same as on previous releases (as LLL said in their announcement). I mean that they even repeat final notes that music for Disc 1 & bonus tracks from Disc 2 were taken from several sources (and there is no mention about new sources, which were actually used for this edition).
As I already sold original releases, I can't compare them.
Of course, I can be wrong - but today I'll read it carefully.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

Ok, I'm listening Disc 1 from new Batman set right now.
Of course you can say that for that price I must find difference (big grin)
But I really hear it!
You also can say that maybe I listened original release too much time ago?
Maybe yes, but now I really hear some new instruments, jazz bass line for Jack, for example and some other little nuance, that I didn't hear.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

USPS has accidentally routed my package to the wrong state. Meaning it'll be another day for it to arrive.

Damn them all, I was expecting this stuff to be waiting for me at home!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

A couple months ago I had a package that went from Ohio, to Iowa then BACK to Ohio then BACK to Iowa before coming over here. Was ridiculous.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Martin B.   (Member)


The film version of "Shootout" does not have a piano, as mentioned in the notes. I was surprised to discover that when I was putting this together. It's prominent on the album but it's not used in the film. I compared the mixes to the film stem and you could actually see the piano hits in the waveform on the album but not on the stem or the film mix.

Neil


Apologies for asking a silly question, but does that mean that "Shootout" on this new set is what was in the film, and is different to "Shootout" on the previous release ?

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

The new album has the film mix while the 2010 album used the album mix. Same performance take.

Neil

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

Batman needs some sort of chart, pie chart, diagram, spreadsheet...something. It's kind of ridiculous how many mixes there are with elemental differences on a cue-by-cue basis. It's also ridiculously fascinating. I can't purchase this until January so reading all of these facts about the new release (which will be a lot of fun to compare / contrast with the 2010 release) is a good way to whet the appetite for it. Can't wait to read the liner notes for it once I receive it. Love these details.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 8:29 PM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

Batman needs some sort of chart, pie chart, diagram, spreadsheet...something. It's kind of ridiculous how many mixes there are with elemental differences on a cue-by-cue basis. It's also ridiculously fascinating. I can't purchase this until January so reading all of these facts about the new release (which will be a lot of fun to compare / contrast with the 2010 release) is a good way to whet the appetite for it. Can't wait to read the liner notes for it once I receive it. Love these details.

It also means, if you own the original LLL release, I'd keep it!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 8:40 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)



It also means, if you own the original LLL release, I'd keep it!


Which I'd say is actually a good thing, because that means there's enough of a difference (aside from packaging) to make both releases valid.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2014 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Max Waxman   (Member)

The Danny Elfman Batman Collection is absolutely fantastic! One of the best soundtrack sets ever released, I think. I found just one tiny, little flaw that is no big deal: CD 4, Track 1 ("Umbrella Source" etc.) has digital glitches in the left audio channel, at 1:29, 3:06, 4:45, and 6:20. Since the master of "Batman Returns" is identical to the one used on the previous double-CD set, owners of that set can just rip that track from the old version, which does not have those glitches.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2014 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   dwirving68   (Member)

The Danny Elfman Batman Collection is absolutely fantastic! One of the best soundtrack sets ever released, I think. I found just one tiny, little flaw that is no big deal: CD 4, Track 1 ("Umbrella Source" etc.) has digital glitches in the left audio channel, at 1:29, 3:06, 4:45, and 6:20. Since the master of "Batman Returns" is identical to the one used on the previous double-CD set, owners of that set can just rip that track from the old version, which does not have those glitches.

I heard this exact same glitch. Any chance LLL will repress the disc?

 
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