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 Posted:   Jul 15, 2017 - 1:15 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Of the younger generation of composers working in film today, could someone please provide me with a list of good composers and bad composers, so that I know whose music to listen to and whose to avoid. This is so that I don't accidentally listen to some music that I like, but which is by a bad composer.

Thank you!

By the way, what did Korngold, Newman, Steiner, Herrmann, Rosza think of John Williams when he nabbed assigniments for every big blockbuster?

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2017 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Of the younger generation of composers working in film today, could someone please provide me with a list of good composers and bad composers, so that I know whose music to listen to and whose to avoid. This is so that I don't accidentally listen to some music that I like, but which is by a bad composer.

Thank you!

By the way, what did Korngold, Newman, Steiner, Herrmann, Rosza think of John Williams when he nabbed assigniments for every big blockbuster?


Most of those guys were dead or retired when Williams entered the field and he was drawing upon the same classical influences using the same techniques as those fellas so I'm sure they had no qualms. I have an early Soundtrack! Magazine interview with Alex North who lauded Williams and this was mid 80s.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2017 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Excellent post, David.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2017 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

Getting good reviews.

Not here in Sweden.

Even Michael Giacchino`s score is mentioned but unfortunately in a negative way.

http://film.aftonbladet.se/2017/07/nu-har-det-blivit-too-much-monkey-business/

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2017 - 1:24 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Of the younger generation of composers working in film today, could someone please provide me with a list of good composers and bad composers, so that I know whose music to listen to and whose to avoid. This is so that I don't accidentally listen to some music that I like, but which is by a bad composer.

Thank you!

By the way, what did Korngold, Newman, Steiner, Herrmann, Rosza think of John Williams when he nabbed assigniments for every big blockbuster?


Most of those guys were dead or retired when Williams entered the field and he was drawing upon the same classical influences using the same techniques as those fellas so I'm sure they had no qualms. I have an early Soundtrack! Magazine interview with Alex North who lauded Williams and this was mid 80s.


It was a rhetorical question, but thank you for mentioning that North did laud Williams.

Oh, Williams did laud Giacchino, too...

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2017 - 5:23 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Of the younger generation of composers working in film today, could someone please provide me with a list of good composers and bad composers, so that I know whose music to listen to and whose to avoid. This is so that I don't accidentally listen to some music that I like, but which is by a bad composer.

Thank you!

By the way, what did Korngold, Newman, Steiner, Herrmann, Rosza think of John Williams when he nabbed assigniments for every big blockbuster?


Most of those guys were dead or retired when Williams entered the field and he was drawing upon the same classical influences using the same techniques as those fellas so I'm sure they had no qualms. I have an early Soundtrack! Magazine interview with Alex North who lauded Williams and this was mid 80s.


It was a rhetorical question, but thank you for mentioning that North did laud Williams.

Oh, Williams did laud Giacchino, too...


No doubt. I don't think Williams has ever uttered a nasty word in his lifetime. He's a class act.

And as I mentioned earlier, Giacchino is successful for a reason no matter whether me or anyone like his music or not. It's not debatable. He's not a flash in the pan and isn't going anywhere anytime soon. smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2017 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

And let´s be honest: if Williams started out today with no Spielberg connection, having to write scores for Michael Bay etc., he would have to adapt his style and sound very different (or quit the game).

Not just Spielberg, but Lucas, too. The question is, how big was the Star Wars salient in comparison to all else, including Jaws?

That question is rather academic, because if you go back all the way to King Kong, there have been scores of very notable composers.

I think Giacchino is a technically astute composer, and I hope he gets checked out with more and more symphonic scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2017 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Of the younger generation of composers working in film today, could someone please provide me with a list of good composers and bad composers, so that I know whose music to listen to and whose to avoid. This is so that I don't accidentally listen to some music that I like, but which is by a bad composer.

Thank you!

By the way, what did Korngold, Newman, Steiner, Herrmann, Rosza think of John Williams when he nabbed assigniments for every big blockbuster?


Most of those guys were dead or retired when Williams entered the field and he was drawing upon the same classical influences using the same techniques as those fellas so I'm sure they had no qualms. I have an early Soundtrack! Magazine interview with Alex North who lauded Williams and this was mid 80s.


It was a rhetorical question, but thank you for mentioning that North did laud Williams.

Oh, Williams did laud Giacchino, too...


No doubt. I don't think Williams has ever uttered a nasty word in his lifetime. He's a class act.

And as I mentioned earlier, Giacchino is successful for a reason no matter whether me or anyone like his music or not. It's not debatable. He's not a flash in the pan and isn't going anywhere anytime soon. smile


Williams has known Giacchino for a long-time now, 20 years, the Jurassic franchise. Williams had the opportunity to score the game music but was far to busy at the time, so word around gets Giacchino his big break. John will soon retire & pass the torch to Michael, any one can see that, Hah.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2017 - 6:13 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

In the end credits it attributes "Apes' Past is Prologue" to Griffith Giacchino. Anyone know if he wrote the whole cue, or the theme the cue is based on, or what the nature of the involvement was?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2017 - 8:33 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Just saw the film. Best in the series. Damn trailers showed too much. Wish I went in not having seen some shots. Music was a def character within the film. Amazing. Some cues stayed with me leaving the theater so guess Giacchino nailed this one.

 
 Posted:   Jul 17, 2017 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   Raider S   (Member)

Just saw this and loved the score - I thought I was listening to classic John Barry. So I came on here and saw I'm not alone in thinking that! I know it's always personal taste, but this was one of the better scores I've heard in some time, it fit the film and mostly did its job. The movie was pretty good as well.

On a side note, my wife and I were the only ones in the 3D showing this afternoon. And on a rainy day, too. For the entire multiplex there were only a dozen cars in the parking lot. I don't go to the theater much anymore and I guess other people must not either.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2017 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Jon Broxton   (Member)

My review of WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES, for anyone who's interested:

https://moviemusicuk.us/2017/07/18/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-michael-giacchino/

Jon

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2017 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

It is good, not great, too long, and riffs heavily into Great Escape segment for too long.
I like the score, the instrumentation is interesting. There is probably too much score in this film though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2017 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

My review, too:

http://www.movie-wave.net/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes/

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2017 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   cormoranstrike   (Member)

The score worked brilliantly in the film. Now enjoying listening to it a lot more as well, knowing all the context for the music. As a film series this Ape trilogy has held it's quality quite well throughout. This one probably was the weakest for me though, but I don't mean to say it's bad. The first two were just a bit better. Andy Serkis is still the MVP in this one, he just keeps you glued to the screen with his performance. It's the script which is somewhat disappointing in this, and looking at the credits, this is the only one of the three where Rick Jaffa & Amanda Silver do not get a screenplay credit (just "based on characters created by"), so maybe that's the missing ingredient.

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2017 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   BTTFFan   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2017 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

For 90 minutes or so, I was enjoying this in the lesser way I enjoyed DAWN (which was a step down from RISE to me, but still enjoyable/involving), but then the whole thing went SOUTH...FAST!!
****SPOILERS!!*****
Like the ground the human base was built upon, holes started being punched into it with alarming frequency!
The human motivation stopped making sense.
The scene with the muck throwing/security guard ranks as the dumbest I've seen all year.
Gollum the monkey (Bad Ape) escapades started to really throw the mood.
The war was a minor skirmish at best, with a few helicopters (badly rendered, at that..one did some barnstorming that would have troubled Top Gun).
Then, Caesar gets shot in the mid-riff (arrow), survives countless explosions, the mother of all avalanches and a mega trek through all terrains, to then, JUST DROP DEAD!!!
At which point, Dr Zaius decides to become all chatty chimp...finally, like they ran out of subtitles!
These lazy final 40 minutes completely ruined what had so far been a well drawn and compelling series.
The music was good though. Really allowed to stand out and carry the film...and yes, Pure John Barry at times.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2017 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

While the film was, ultimately, a HUGE let-down, I've found myself digging the music more and more with each play.
Exodus Wounds is a great track. As the notes say, such a simple idea, but really memorable and effective.
Sure, he overdoes the tinkly LOST stuff a bit, but I'd rather that than hours spent in the drone zone.
This score will make my years Top 10, I think.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2017 - 9:06 PM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

What's the easter egg at the end of the album suppose to represent? I don't recall hearing it in the movie either.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2017 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I think it's just meant as some kind of battle cry/hymn of the men in Capt Woody's human camp.
Maybe it just went unused or unheard in the film?

 
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