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 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"I knew this would cause a ruckus the moment I saw it in the film, but it's all based on historical fact. There were all kinds of exotic features and animals in the gladiator arena, including monkeys and sharks"
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You do know that history is being re-written on an almost daily basis, Thor wink

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 2:44 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

So this film LITERALLY Jumps The Shark!!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

There's plenty of documentation about sharks being displayed in the Colloseum at the time, especially in the wake of this film. Just google around; many articles about it now.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 3:09 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Must have been discovered around the same time as those spaceships in South America.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 3:13 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/film/gladiator-2-fact-fiction-sharks-colosseum-b1193555.html

"Julius Caeser was the first emperor to stage mock maritime fights in Rome, which were called naumachita, and the Colosseum had the capabilities to do this. They would use special flat-bottomed ships to allow for the shallow water and have islands in the middle for sailors to go hand-to-hand. And while they may have been mock recreations of old victories, the fighting and deaths were very real.

Roman historian Cassius Dio recorded that animals were involved in all this madness: “Titus suddenly filled this same theatre with water and brought in horses and bulls and some other domesticated animals that had been taught to behave in the liquid element just as on land [the water therefore must have not been too deep for them to perform]. He also brought in people on ships, who engaged in a sea-fight there, impersonating the Corcyreans and Corinthians"

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"In actual fact there are records of marine life being released into the water during the naval battles and used as part of more aquarium-style displays of exotic species. The Colosseum wasn’t merely about fighting but displays of exoticism and grandeur to show off the power and size of the Roman Empire."

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Do you believe everything you read on the internet, Thor?

(where's that Abraham Lincoln quote...) big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 3:21 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"In actual fact there are records of marine life being released into the water during the naval battles and used as part of more aquarium-style displays of exotic species. The Colosseum wasn’t merely about fighting but displays of exoticism and grandeur to show off the power and size of the Roman Empire."...
...AND THEY HAD DRAG QUEEN AND TRANS-GENDER CONTESTS TOO...LIVE ON GIANT TV SCREENS!!

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 3:29 AM   
 By:   No Respectable Gentleman   (Member)

https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/film/gladiator-2-fact-fiction-sharks-colosseum-b1193555.html

"Julius Caeser was the first emperor to stage mock maritime fights in Rome, which were called naumachita, and the Colosseum had the capabilities to do this. They would use special flat-bottomed ships to allow for the shallow water and have islands in the middle for sailors to go hand-to-hand. And while they may have been mock recreations of old victories, the fighting and deaths were very real.

Roman historian Cassius Dio recorded that animals were involved in all this madness: “Titus suddenly filled this same theatre with water and brought in horses and bulls and some other domesticated animals that had been taught to behave in the liquid element just as on land [the water therefore must have not been too deep for them to perform]. He also brought in people on ships, who engaged in a sea-fight there, impersonating the Corcyreans and Corinthians"

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"In actual fact there are records of marine life being released into the water during the naval battles and used as part of more aquarium-style displays of exotic species. The Colosseum wasn’t merely about fighting but displays of exoticism and grandeur to show off the power and size of the Roman Empire."


With respect, Thor, this fails to mention sharks, which methinks would have been all but impossible to transport and keep alive long enough to release into the Colosseum. The recent THOSE ABOUT TO DIE staged a similar scene featuring crocodiles, which is more believable.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 4:09 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

With respect, Thor, this fails to mention sharks, which methinks would have been all but impossible to transport and keep alive long enough to release into the Colosseum.

With all the animals they imported, including marine wildlife, I think it's likely. Besides, it's a fiction film and not a documentary. I thought it was an absolutely brilliant merger of two historical facts that aren't that well-known, for dramatic effect, 1. The naval battle scenes in the Collosseum, and 2. The display of various marine life and exotic animals in the same arena.

One of the best parts of the film, without question.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 4:18 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

...AND THEY HAD DRAG QUEEN AND TRANS-GENDER CONTESTS TOO...LIVE ON GIANT TV SCREENS!!

Are you drunk, Hurdy? Bit early in the day, innit?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Drunk on all this NEW knowledge, Thor.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Do you believe everything you read on the internet, Thor?

(where's that Abraham Lincoln quote...) big grin



You mean-
'Ouch!'
Found it for ya.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)


The Colosseum was started in 72AD. Caesar died in 44BC so it must have been his ghost. Great Caesar’s Ghost……

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Caesar started the naumachia, but it was later staged at the Colosseum as well, which is what I took the sentence to mean. Here's some more info on it, for all of you so bizarrely keen on ridiculing/dismissing historical facts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naumachia

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

The Colosseum was started in 72AD. Caesar died in 44BC so it must have been his ghost. Great Caesar’s Ghost……


And there's some unfinished houses, by me, that are taking longer to finish.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

History has come a long way since my days in school.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   No Respectable Gentleman   (Member)

The film contains innumerable distortions of historical record but the one that bothered me the most was wall-inscriptions written in English. I haven't seen something so daft in a Roman epic since CALIGULA, of all things.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2024 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The film contains innumerable distortions of historical record but the one that bothered me the most was wall-inscriptions written in English. I haven't seen something so daft in a Roman epic since CALIGULA, of all things.

I hate to inform you that they also speak English, not Latin.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2024 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I’ve listened to the soundtrack a couple of times, and to be honest – I was shocked at how less interesting it was compared to hearing it in the film itself. So the challenge came to whittle it down, should I decide to keep it. I set a minimum duration of 25 minutes, if it was less than that it wouldn’t be worth it. But that became a challenge as well. Still, landed on this, 34 minutes in total of pretty decent stuff, and we’ll just have to see how much I’ll play it, and how long it stays in my digital collection:

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2024 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   MattyT   (Member)

I’ve listened to the soundtrack a couple of times, and to be honest – I was shocked at how less interesting it was compared to hearing it in the film itself. So the challenge came to whittle it down, should I decide to keep it. I set a minimum duration of 25 minutes, if it was less than that it wouldn’t be worth it. But that became a challenge as well. Still, landed on this, 34 minutes in total of pretty decent stuff, and we’ll just have to see how much I’ll play it, and how long it stays in my digital collection

I agree with you. I've listened to it and it's very lackluster. I was hoping for more "Kingdom of Heaven" vibes, but it meanders a lot and doesn't get very interesting, except when HGW quotes Zimmer's themes. I had ordered the CD, but I'm wondering if I'm going to hang on it to or not. I don't see myself coming back to this a lot. Maybe my attitude will change once I see it in context with the film.

 
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