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 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   Jonathan   (Member)

Yes, I got the same response from Colosseum. They are still in denial! What the heck! Then they should tell us who so "carefully listened" to that stuff and proved it well. Disappointment...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Yes, I got the same response from Colosseum. They are still in denial! What the heck! Then they should tell us who so "carefully listened" to that stuff and proved it well. Disappointment...

Oh dear.

Well two observations:

1. Varese appears to have a very low opinion of messageboard posters, hence their lack of a presence on the boards. Various comments made by Mr Townson seem to back this up. They need to realise that 90% of people actually don't complain unless there's something to complain about. This disc obviously sounds wrong to the people who have mentioned it. And hasn't Silvestri himself also expressed some concern?

2. Presumably the same "experts" also approved and cleared "Hellboy" with its pops (which, btw, are not present on Beltrami's "promo") etc etc etc.

Blah. Typical.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   scoresofscores   (Member)

Yes, I got the same response from Colosseum. They are still in denial! What the heck! Then they should tell us who so "carefully listened" to that stuff and proved it well. Disappointment...

Oh dear.

Well two observations:

1. Varese appears to have a very low opinion of messageboard posters, hence their lack of a presence on the boards. Various comments made by Mr Townson seem to back this up. They need to realise that 90% of people actually don't complain unless there's something to complain about. This disc obviously sounds wrong to the people who have mentioned it. And hasn't Silvesti himself also expressed some concern?

2. Presumably the same "experts" also approved and cleared "Hellboy" with its pops (which, btw, are not present on Beltrami's "promo") etc etc etc.

Blah. Typical.


And hasn't Silvesti himself also expressed some concern?

Well in the letter it does say everyone involved stands by it. I have to assume everyone includes Alan, the producers, the mastering people, etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Looks like they are denying the whole thing and blaiming message board posters for setting up a conspiracy. Who do they have in charge of PR?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


As a matter of procedure, viewing a spectral analysis of the audio files is never part of the approval process. A mastered album is always carefully listened to by Varèse Sarabande, the album producers and engineers and is approved before it is duplicated.


What a silly and irrelevant thing to say. The fact is the spectral shows fully objectively the state of the music, so dismissing it as "we don't use it" is kinda like someone getting a math propblem wrong and saying they never use a calculator.

I hope Silvestri will comment.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

A while back, Townson wrote a letter to "the fans" about re-use fees, and one of the first things he mentions is that Varese Sarabande is not a faceless corporation or record label. Judging by their complete ignorance of this issue and the non-disclosure of obvious audio issues in their club titles (something everyone else in the LE game does), it's pretty apparent that what he wrote does not hold up as it did 10 years ago.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Jonathan   (Member)

All I want is another great sounding CD. It's not that I wouldn't support Varese anymore, but this score in a good all over sound quality is not too much for the money I pay. Is it?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

All I want is another great sounding CD. It's not that I wouldn't support Varese anymore, but this score in a good all over sound quality is not too much for the money I pay. Is it?

Yeah the quality isn't BAD, per se, but when one buys a CD one expects full CD quality, not medium quality Mp3s.
And what's more, when they are ripped to Mp3, they would be even WORSE, unless they were made directly from the master before it became lossy. So yeah.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

So, is it a clicking problem, like hellboy?
Also, is it present in the iTunes version?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

So, is it a clicking problem, like hellboy?
Also, is it present in the iTunes version?


The problem is described fully in this thread.

I expect it will be even worse in the iTunes version!

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

So, is it a clicking problem, like hellboy?
Also, is it present in the iTunes version?


The problem is described fully in this thread.

I expect it will be even worse in the iTunes version!


Play"What happened to her" as an example. The artifacts on this cue alone are shocking for a modern recording. And yes it sounds worse on itunes.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

It really seemed the movie was made by people who were very frustrated by the fact that they couldn't kill anybody in the cartoon and were planning on fully making up for that fact in the film--the body count is amazing and I've never seen so many people stabbed in the face in a movie (without showing any blood of course). The power suit chase is the highlight; Sommers keeps things moving along pretty well, the score only registers at a few moments in the action when the overpowering sound effects drop out for whatever reason. The nominal "star" of the movie is like a human vacuum; he is so subdued every time he talks you want to nod off. Everyone else speaks like someone's pulling a string on their back. Watching Rachel Nichols with red hair was worth it for me though.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

I can hear a lot of whistling/slushy artifacts in "I Promise". I downloaded GI JOE from iTunes and I've never heard compression on an iTunes download like this.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

and stabbed not only in face but in back, frontally, etc...with any weapon, being swords, knives, ninja stars, injections...

the movie is ultimately a boring all-action, zero-interest VG full of lame jokes and silly flashbacks (the one with fat Miyagui, the better! This was almost ZAZ territory).

Silvestri music was there, for sure, but I walked out the theater with nothing in my head from it. Just action action and action with some synth rythms and a little fanfare.

I will give the score a spin if they finally correct the mastering.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   theOzman   (Member)

I emailed both Varese and Colosseum records and get two different replies. Varese indeed indicated that there's nothing wrong with the CD, while Colosseum admits that the issue is valid, that it's a mastering problem, and that they are waiting to here back from Varese on the matter.

I had no problem taking the CD that I bought of G.I. JOE and returning it to the vendor that I bought it from. Figured that my money can be spent on something more worthwhile.

Oz

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 9:01 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

Varese indeed indicated that there's nothing wrong with the CD

wow...

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2009 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Just picked up the album and am greatly enjoying, I always enjoy a killer, amped up Silvestri score! And he's one of the few long-time favorites of mine still working film. But at least for me I got to open the summer with 2 scores I thoroughly enjoyed (STAR TREK, UP) and close with another in GI JOE.

And not to play Devil's Advocate on purpose, but the album sounds great to me... I'm not noticing any defects or distortion or anything.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2009 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I haven't noticed much either, Tom. It sounds a little flat, but no obvious glitches or errors.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2009 - 4:27 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I haven't noticed much either, Tom. It sounds a little flat, but no obvious glitches or errors.

The flat sound IS the glitch/error.

 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2009 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Mr Hand   (Member)

Is there any chance that the Japanese Geneon-Universal release of the score will have a correct master ? In theory, I guess Japanese releases should be identical to the Varese/Colosseum masters, but Japanese records companies are known for having produced some better-sounding CD's on a few occasions on the past, so...

 
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