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 Posted:   Oct 9, 2022 - 3:51 AM   
 By:   CSC   (Member)

I get what you're saying, Bill. I think that the opening few bars from "The Case of the Bloody Iris" as posted from YouTube may have been inspired by Morricone's CAT O' NINE TAILS, but the main melody is driving me nuts because I'm (almost) sure that it's more than an amalgam of Morricone motifs. I'm thinking of one specific Morricone theme for one specific film, but I can't for the life of me place it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2022 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Yes i thought the background elements were a bit Burglars -ish. They may be another theme or two which is similar, but im shit at recalling themes n identifying them off the top of my head.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2022 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   Leo Nicols   (Member)

Yes i thought the background elements were a bit Burglars -ish. They may be another theme or two which is similar, but im shit at recalling themes n identifying them off the top of my head.

Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nicolai also conduct the score to 'The Burglars' ?

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2022 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

There were very few he didnt from 65 to 75.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2022 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

Besides conducting the score to "Le Casse", Nicolai also (re)arranged two of the tracks (Le casse and Rodeo) which were released on a French vinyl-EP back in '72, but not intended to be used in the film.

As for the main theme of "The Case of the Bloody Iris", overall the style is very Morriconian and part of the melody played by the strings is very similar to Morricone's theme from Incontro.

I just listened to Nicolai's "...E Poi Non Ne Rimase Nessuno"aka And then there were none ('74) and noticed that one of the suspense tracks is virtually identical to a track from "Il Gatto a nove code". Nicolai's version differs only slightly in the instrumentation.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2022 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

Btw, what a pity that this lovely track from "...E Poi Non Ne Rimase Nessuno" wasn't included on the CD:


 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2022 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

I recently watched the giallo "Casa D'appuntamento" aka The French sex murders (1972)
and except for a song in French (Viens Avec Moi) it seems that most of the instrumental underscore has been recycled from earlier works by Bruno Nicolai. I could identify several cues from Tutti colori del buio, La Coda dello scorpione and Paolo and Francesca. I'm sure there are tracks from other scores as well but I haven't had time to identify those yet.

Btw, has anyone received the new/expanded Il Conte Dracula CD yet?
I can't wait to find out if the alternate versions of "Processo" and "Sguardo" are the film versions with pipe organ. I'm aware that the CD was released only a few days ago but I thought maybe some Italian member who pre-ordered already received the CD. Intermezzo.media in Italy are usually very quick to deliver.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2022 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

So has anyone received the new expanded CD yet?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2022 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Nope. Waiting to put an order together, somewhere.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2022 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

What a disappointment!

None of the tracks with organ are on the new/expanded CD, instead the bonus cues "Processo" and "Sguardo" are very similar to the previously released versions with the same orchestration. The remaining bonus material doesn't really offer anything new either, except for the addition of a mixed choir in "Concerto variato", a brief a cappella piece and a fast polka for violin and piano.

Why the powerful opening music with organ & orchestra has not been included is beyond me, I mean it's used several times in the movie, including the main titles.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2022 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

We're they perhaps pre existing, from another film, say?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2022 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

No I highly doubt it since the melodies are the same.



The music I'm referring to can be heard several times during the film:

0:01 (Main titles)
28:16
1:27:14 (this very short version can actually be heard on the CD in track 28 "Il conte dracula seq 4"
but without the organ overlay!)
1:33:53 (final scene before the end titles)

The solo organ cue is heard at 1:03:38 (it's an alternate version of "Sguardo")

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2022 - 3:23 AM   
 By:   Leo Nicols   (Member)

Is it just me, but I seem to detect a "Morricone meet's Piccioni" thing going on here ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BblhMbyQ4aQ

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2022 - 3:34 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

What a disappointment!

None of the tracks with organ are on the new/expanded CD, instead the bonus cues "Processo" and "Sguardo" are very similar to the previously released versions with the same orchestration. The remaining bonus material doesn't really offer anything new either, except for the addition of a mixed choir in "Concerto variato", a brief a cappella piece and a fast polka for violin and piano.

Why the powerful opening music with organ & orchestra has not been included is beyond me, I mean it's used several times in the movie, including the main titles.


There are a number of scores for which the main title was "cut off" from the master tape from one reason or another. Perhaps it is the case here? Although for completeness they could have used the main theme from the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2022 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Is it just me, but I seem to detect a "Morricone meet's Piccioni" thing going on here ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BblhMbyQ4aQ


Well, they were in each others pockets for good few years.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2022 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

I contacted digitmovies and asked why the powerful opening music with organ isn't included on the expanded Il Conte Dracula CD. They weren't aware of that any music was missing so the only explanation they could give me was that this particular track was simply not present on the mastertape!

Interestingly, I noticed that the music during the main titles sequence differs between some prints of the movie. For example, the Italian and French versions use the track "Processo" (track 1 on the CD), while the Spanish and English and US (?) cuts use the unreleased version with organ. However, the latter version is afaik used in all prints i.e. it's repeated a few times during the film.

Spanish version:


Italian version:


English version:


Anyways I'm pretty sure that the unreleased "mysterious" version of the opening music was composed for this film because a) it uses the same melody as "Processo" and b) a much shorther but faster version is heard on the CD in track 28 - but strangely enough, in the film this very same version features a pipe organ playing chords in the background. The plot thickens!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 2, 2022 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

Micke, I'm sorry that you didn't find the organ version of the main title on this expanded CD. As a whole, I like this score very much but I think this new CD would have deserved to be resequenced entirely. Indeed, the original CD wasn't done in a satisfying manner with too many atmospheric tracks gathered in its second part.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 2, 2022 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

Micke, I'm sorry that you didn't find the organ version of the main title on this expanded CD. As a whole, I like this score very much but I think this new CD would have deserved to be resequenced entirely. Indeed, the original CD wasn't done in a satisfying manner with too many atmospheric tracks gathered in its second part.


Hi Laurent, I'm happy to hear from you smile

Yes, it's a great pity that the organ version of the main theme didn't make it onto the CD, and the same goes for the solo organ version of "Sguardo". It would be interesting to know why none of the tracks with organ was present on the mastertape, I find it rather strange.
I agree with you that they should have resequenced the CD entirely when they had the chance.

Btw, I just noticed that the French language print uses different music for some scenes, this scene for example:

https://youtu.be/fVROQKkLeRU?t=5318

That a cappella choir music sounds very familiar, doesn't it?...hint, hint!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 2, 2022 - 11:46 PM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

Thanks Micke for your comments and also for sending me a copy of this outstanding score many years ago. As for the passage featuring this a cappella choir that you pointed out in the French version, I'm afraid I don't recognize it at all. Is it taken from another Nicolai score ? By the way, it's stunning that the music can be different in some parts depending on the country of release of the movie. Was it often the case in those days ?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2022 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

Thanks Micke for your comments and also for sending me a copy of this outstanding score many years ago. As for the passage featuring this a cappella choir that you pointed out in the French version, I'm afraid I don't recognize it at all. Is it taken from another Nicolai score ? By the way, it's stunning that the music can be different in some parts depending on the country of release of the movie. Was it often the case in those days ?

Laurent, I had totally forgotten I had sent you a copy of this score, it must have been a very long time ago. As for the a cappella choir piece; yes I was pretty sure it came from another Nicolai (or even Morricone!) work but I'm not so sure anymore - I simply cannot place it. I'm absolutely sure that I've heard it before but the question is where? the piece might very well originate from another Italian composer though, such as Savina, Rustichelli, Lavagnino, Ortolani, Cipriani etc. Maybe someone else here can identify the music, Stefan perhaps?

 
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