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 Posted:   Apr 2, 2021 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

I feel the same way. Technically there is more clarity to the instruments and more depth overall, but the bass is overwhelming (though it probably sounded great in the theater) and many cues end abruptly to fit the film. Some of the key themes sound weak and diluted in stereo too, particularly the "Main Title" and "The Plan to Transport King Kong". The mono version has far more punch.

Yeah, the abrupt edits are jarring. I noticed with Toho's stereo scores at the time edited certain cues to fit the sequences they're used for. I do like hearing the scores as edited for the films, but definitely not all of the time.

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2021 - 7:01 PM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

Yep, the Futureland set does indeed have the English titles here and there, but they at least have consistent album titles.

Most of the Toho Music label's CD releases had schizo English titles on their front covers as well. For example, many of the Godzilla Perfect Collection discs proudly sport such incongruous Americanizations as "Gigantis, The Fire Monster", "Godzilla vs. The Thing" "Ghidrah, The Three-Headed Monster", "Monster Zero", "Destroy All Monsters", etc., which only serves to legitimize/reinforce these names in the minds of American fans (despite some of us having spent decades trying to UN-learn them).

 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2021 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Most of the Toho Music label's CD releases had schizo English titles on their front covers as well. For example, many of the Godzilla Perfect Collection discs proudly sport such incongruous Americanizations as "Gigantis, The Fire Monster", "Godzilla vs. The Thing" "Ghidrah, The Three-Headed Monster", "Monster Zero", "Destroy All Monsters", etc., which only serves to legitimize/reinforce these names in the minds of American fans (despite some of us having spent decades trying to UN-learn them).

They sure do! As someone who prefers the translations of the original Japanese film titles, it's quite annoying. Especially since some of the known U.S. or international titles can be quite ridiculous.

Speaking of the label, I also bought their "Osaka Castle Story" release since some of my favorite cues from the score are only found on that release, with "Mohei and Ai" (M23) being one of my absolute favorites. It too uses English on the cover. At least in this case they went with "The Tale of Osaka Castle" rather than the dumbass title of "Daredevil in the Castle". In addition, the album has the proper album title on the spine and obi, which translates to Osaka Castle Story Original Soundtrack.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2021 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

Speaking of the label, I also bought their "Osaka Castle Story" release since some of my favorite cues from the score are only found on that release, with "Mohei and Ai" (M23) being one of my absolute favorites.

Yes, that's a fine score, and "Mohei and Ai" is lovely. You don't hear solo violin too often in Ifukube's film work!

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2021 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Yes, that's a fine score, and "Mohei and Ai" is lovely. You don't hear solo violin too often in Ifukube's film work!

It is indeed a fine one. As I've stated before, I've seen a large number of films Ifukube scored, including every Toho film. While I've heard cues that were predominately violin, it's certainly uncommon for Ifukube to employ violin solos. While technically not a film score per se, Ifukube's score for Seiji Fujishiro's Kiri-e play "The Humpbacked Pony" (1953/1975) features a lot of violin work. While the 1953 performance had the music performed live, the 1975 performance had the music recorded in advance. In my opinion, it's one of Ifukube's most creative scores, a wonderful blend of orchestra and Electone (though I'm not sure if Ifukube's version for the 1953 performance included electronics).

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2021 - 10:00 PM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

While technically not a film score per se, Ifukube's score for Seiji Fujishiro's Kiri-e play "The Humpbacked Pony" (1953/1975) features a lot of violin work. While the 1953 performance had the music performed live, the 1975 performance had the music recorded in advance. In my opinion, it's one of Ifukube's most creative scores, a wonderful blend of orchestra and Electone (though I'm not sure if Ifukube's version for the 1953 performance included electronics).

Oh yes - that's another good one. Too bad there is no recording of the 1953 performance, but the 1975 version is wonderful.

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2021 - 12:35 AM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Oh yes - that's another good one. Too bad there is no recording of the 1953 performance, but the 1975 version is wonderful.

The closest to the 1953 version is the suite found on Three Shells' Akira Ifukube 100th Anniversary Concert Vol. 4 (3SCD-0033). The suite seems to be a combination of both the 1953 and 1975 versions based on my listening.

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2021 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

The closest to the 1953 version is the suite found on Three Shells' Akira Ifukube 100th Anniversary Concert Vol. 4 (3SCD-0033). The suite seems to be a combination of both the 1953 and 1975 versions based on my listening.

Oh - I'll have to revisit that CD again!

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 2:40 AM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Oh - I'll have to revisit that CD again!

While it does feature an Electone, some of the pieces in the suite sound like earlier versions of their 1975 counterparts.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Complete Recordings 8, along with Great Battle of the Japan Sea Original Soundtrack (CINK-13), arrived earlier today. I'll update my collection list at the start of this thread to include the albums.





 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 4:19 AM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

Complete Recordings 8, along with Great Battle of the Japan Sea Original Soundtrack (CINK-13), arrived earlier today. I'll update my collection list at the start of this thread to include the albums.

Nice catch! Complete Recordings 8 is one of the highlights of the series, as Futureland never got around to giving "Birth of Japan" a standalone release. My other favorite is the Toei Doga volume, which collects "The Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon", along with Ifukube's "Expo '70" music (which, so far, is not available anywhere else in complete form.)

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Nice catch! Complete Recordings 8 is one of the highlights of the series, as Futureland never got around to giving "Birth of Japan" a standalone release. My other favorite is the Toei Doga volume, which collects "The Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon", along with Ifukube's "Expo '70" music (which, so far, is not available anywhere else in complete form.)

Thanks! It's a shame Futureland never made a stand-alone issue for it. Judging by the cue sheet transcriptions found with the Toho Music release, Futureland could easily have made a three disc set for the score. The Toei Doga volume is indeed great. While "The Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon" has had far superior releases, The Mitsubishi Future Pavillion music has indeed never been issued since. The only other releases happen to predate it, a sonosheet and maybe an LP.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

The only other releases happen to predate it, a sonosheet and maybe an LP.

Oh, yes - I actually have the sonosheet as well as a nice program booklet for the exhibition, though I've never seen an LP (which, if it exists, would be an amazing find).

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Yep, the Futureland set does indeed have the English titles here and there, but they at least have consistent album titles.

Most of the Toho Music label's CD releases had schizo English titles on their front covers as well. For example, many of the Godzilla Perfect Collection discs proudly sport such incongruous Americanizations as "Gigantis, The Fire Monster", "Godzilla vs. The Thing" "Ghidrah, The Three-Headed Monster", "Monster Zero", "Destroy All Monsters", etc., which only serves to legitimize/reinforce these names in the minds of American fans (despite some of us having spent decades trying to UN-learn them).


Indeed! The nomenclature can be confusing to most except the most knowledgeable about these things (or who have been interested in this stuff for the better part of 50 years wink like I have). Back in the day, the only way to get acquainted with the films was through the occasional showing on TV or, as in my case, old movie theaters that ran 4 movies for a buck on the weekends (Good times BTW).

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Wow! Every time I come back to this thread, there is always new or hard to come by info.

Keep up the fantastic work gents.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

Wow! Every time I come back to this thread, there is always new or hard to come by info.

Keep up the fantastic work gents.



Thank you. This is one subject that I'm always happy to discuss, so feel free to chime in whenever you have any thoughts or burning questions!

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

Tuesday Trivia: The photo below depicts the earliest examples of Godzilla music on CD, released in late 1986. All four albums started out as LPs in the early 80s, and interestingly, none of them contain original film cues. The two "Godzilla Legend Chronology" volumes present synthesizer arrangements of Showa-era themes, not only from Godzilla films but related monster flicks as well. The bottom left CD features the 1983 concert premiere of Akira Ifukube's "Symphonic Fantasia", a presentation of his most famous kaiju themes in three movements. The final CD, "Ostinato" consists of re-recordings of Toho monster themes, initially commissioned to accompany a video of Toho outtakes.

All of these CDs have since been repressed and/or reissued in various forms, but the curious attribute of these first editions is their flexible plastic, adhesive-backed obi's.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Wow! Every time I come back to this thread, there is always new or hard to come by info.

Keep up the fantastic work gents.



Thank you. This is one subject that I'm always happy to discuss, so feel free to chime in whenever you have any thoughts or burning questions!


I sure will. smile Question the first: Are there US style re-use fees as there are in the US and Canada? (or perhaps a similar, non-union related, system).

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

Question the first: Are there US style re-use fees as there are in the US and Canada? (or perhaps a similar, non-union related, system).

Whoa - you caught me off guard with that one. I suspect there is a similar system in Japan, but to be honest I don't know for sure. Can anyone else answer this question?

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 6:38 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Oh, yes - I actually have the sonosheet as well as a nice program booklet for the exhibition, though I've never seen an LP (which, if it exists, would be an amazing find).

It's quite possible I confused the sonosheet as an LP release at one point. LOL! I've always been curious as to what is exactly on the sonosheet. There's actually one listed at Yahoo Japan Auction for $5.


Wow! Every time I come back to this thread, there is always new or hard to come by info.

Keep up the fantastic work gents.


Thanks yet again!


Thank you. This is one subject that I'm always happy to discuss, so feel free to chime in whenever you have any thoughts or burning questions!

Me too, for sure! This thread, along with you guys, make my coming back to the message board worthwhile.


Question the first: Are there US style re-use fees as there are in the US and Canada? (or perhaps a similar, non-union related, system).

Well, there's JASRAC (Japanese Society for Rights of Authors, Composers and Publishers). It's similar to other organizations in the U.S. and Canada. It's by no means a non-union though.

 
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