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 Posted:   Sep 28, 2023 - 11:27 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I just noticed that the back of Volume 1 says "Performed by the Hollywood Studio Symphony."

I like the sound of that, but I never heard of it in my 50 years of craving and collecting TOS music. Is that a new name for Desilu's once-nameless virtuosos?


Another thing: the outer package does not say "Original Soundtrack," which of course it is. I'm guessing there was great confidence that everyone buying it would know, preferably from LLL's own website.

I mention it because phrases like "Original Motion Picture Soundtrack" were traditionally considered an important selling point on the cover. And when you add in the name of a symphony orchestra, only the more so.

I recently bought a CD of horror movie themes for one dollar at a thrift shop, and "The London Studio Orchestra" (or something like that) turned out to sound very much like one guy playing a consumer-grade synthesizer from days gone by. Remember when the big record stores would let you sample a CD with headphones before buying it? That's why. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)

I just noticed that the back of Volume 1 says "Performed by the Hollywood Studio Symphony."

I like the sound of that, but I never heard of it in my 50 years of craving and collecting TOS music. Is that a new name for Desilu's once-nameless virtuosos?


Another thing: the outer package does not say "Original Soundtrack," which of course it is. I'm guessing there was great confidence that everyone buying it would know, preferably from LLL's own website.

I mention it because phrases like "Original Motion Picture Soundtrack" were traditionally considered an important selling point on the cover. And when you add in the name of a symphony orchestra, only the more so.

I recently bought a CD of horror movie themes for one dollar at a thrift shop, and "The London Studio Orchestra" (or something like that) turned out to sound very much like one guy playing a consumer-grade synthesizer from days gone by. Remember when the big record stores would let you sample a CD with headphones before buying it? That's why. smile


Hey, ZB.

Hollywood Studio Symphony is simply the name for projects scored with Local 47 musicians of the AFM, apparently, for film/TV projects that go back some years (likely some kind of re-use contract condition agreed to by the recording industry twenty years or so ago). Interestingly, "Star Trek" was scored with a neat combination of Hollywood session players and members of the LA Phil. For instance, the second season version of the theme (Courage's arrangement recorded in June 1967) features three trumpet players: Bob DiVall (then, principal trumpet of the LA Phil), John M. Clyman (first trumpet of the Fox orchestra from ca. 1950-1970, and, himself, one time LA Phil principal trumpet) and Anthony Terran, who was former lead trumpet of the Dezi Arnaz "Lucy" orchestra, who by the mid-seventies became one of the top "calls" for motion pictures (though he was a very busy session player for TV series and on popular recordings in the mid-sixties), especially for John Barry projects recorded in the States throughout the seventies (including the solo part in the TV adaptation of "The Corn Is Green."). Similarly, of the three hornists on the opening fanfare (again, on that season's recording), two were former studio principals (James Decker, Columbia Pictures, John "Jack" Cave, MGM), one, at that time, LA Phil principal (Sinclair Lott).

Hope this helps.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Thanks, Broughtfan. Good info.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I thought SHORE LEAVE was still under license with another label so surprised to see this on the Vol. 2 set. Is there hope for The Doomsday Machine then?

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I thought SHORE LEAVE was still under license with another label so surprised to see this on the Vol. 2 set. Is there hope for The Doomsday Machine then?

Shore Leave and The Naked Time were the exceptions. The pilots, Amok Time and The Doomsday Machine won't be included. Unless something happens, I guess.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I thought SHORE LEAVE was still under license with another label so surprised to see this on the Vol. 2 set. Is there hope for The Doomsday Machine then?

Shore Leave and The Naked Time were the exceptions. The pilots, Amok Time and The Doomsday Machine won't be included. Unless something happens, I guess.


Damn! Hope they work it out. Would be a shame if those alone were excluded.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   juhana   (Member)

I wonder if there’s any possibility of similar 1701 editions of the Ron Jones Project? Should take 7 volumes (BOBW would be left out again, obviously), maybe (probably not) 6 if the alternate cues were sprinkled around the other volumes and the video game scores omitted.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   lacoq   (Member)

Great detail! Thank you Broughtfan….love all the nitty gritty background info!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2023 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Zeno Cosini   (Member)

I like how "An understandable oversight" can be interpreted as "picayune and nit-picky", especially the part where spines are no big deal. Sure, I get that. So long as the music is handled right, it's easy to overlook.

However, I wouldn't put down the importance of spines. When I store my CDs on the shelf, guess which part of the product is always visible? Is it:

A. The Front Cover
B. The Back Cover
C. The Spine
D. The Aft Nacelle

Answer?


Now if I was getting these releases and they were all placed beside each other, not only would they stand out more than the others, but the flaw in its design would stick out like a sore thumb.


OMG, dear soundtrack collectors,
I`m collecting soundtracks since 40 years. And I`m collecting CDs as long as we got them.
I NEVER was angry about the differences between the spines.
Sometimes I wasn`t satisfied with the music, sometimes I wasn`t really happy with the artwork.
But at the end of the day, the only thing was and is: Do I enjoy the music? Mostly I enjoyed the music. Otherwise I sold the LP or CD. That`s it.
Enjoy the music. I own the box set. And I enjoy this wonderful music from the days I was a kid....a lot!!!!

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2023 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Volume 3 releases Tuesday, November 7th

https://www.facebook.com/lalalandrecords/posts/pfbid0JkzL5VDKSPqKtiEZj9kwHhbocBzfJtUVYCyKBpuRfjScJjcZwDbRmuKBL3KJUFKdl

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2023 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Gone2Disneyland   (Member)

After they mentioned each subsequent volume was releasing on a bi-monthly basis, I already plugged in the dates for the first Tuesday of every other month into my calendar. LOL I missed out on the boxed set. I'm eager to own this one.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2023 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

See ya then

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2023 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I just got volume 2! LOL

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2023 - 7:59 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

This sequence of re-issues is inconsistent.

Volume 1 and the 1st disc of volume 2 are organized by season.
With the 2nd disc of volume 2, the impression is that the entire 2nd season music is next.
With this 3rd volume, though, the 2nd disc is bringing forth 3rd season scores ahead of the remaining scores from season 2.
Does this mean all future volumes will be grouped by composers and not seasons?
Will there be one volume devoted to all of George Duning's music on 2 CDs?

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2023 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

This sequence of re-issues is inconsistent.

Volume 1 and the 1st disc of volume 2 are organized by season.
With the 2nd disc of volume 2, the impression is that the entire 2nd season music is next.
With this 3rd volume, though, the 2nd disc is bringing forth 3rd season scores ahead of the remaining scores from season 2.
Does this mean all future volumes will be grouped by composers and not seasons?
Will there be one volume devoted to all of George Duning's music on 2 CDs?



In order to fit everything into stand-alone 2-CD sets, I suppose they had to de-prioritize consistency across sets. Each volume does what it has to do to deliver the goods.

The way my quick and dirty addition came out, all of the George Duning scores would come to something around 161 minutes. That's a little more than they can fit in a 2-CD volume. (And needless to say, I have to play some now. smile)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2023 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)

This sequence of re-issues is inconsistent.

Volume 1 and the 1st disc of volume 2 are organized by season.
With the 2nd disc of volume 2, the impression is that the entire 2nd season music is next.
With this 3rd volume, though, the 2nd disc is bringing forth 3rd season scores ahead of the remaining scores from season 2.
Does this mean all future volumes will be grouped by composers and not seasons?
Will there be one volume devoted to all of George Duning's music on 2 CDs?



In order to fit everything into stand-alone 2-CD sets, I suppose they had to de-prioritize consistency across sets. Each volume does what it has to do to deliver the goods.

The way my quick and dirty addition came out, all of the George Duning scores would come to something around 161 minutes. That's a little more than they can fit in a 2-CD volume. (And needless to say, I have to play some now. smile)


Actually, I think you could get most of the Duning cues on to two disks if you didn't include the different versions of the Patterns of Force march (which is just French horns and drums) and trimmed 16-17 minutes from the long, repetitive And the Children Shall Lead score, including such cues as "Triacus" (effectively, memorably tracked into the Let That Be Your Last Battlefield opening teaser) leaving complete presentations of Is There in Truth No Beauty? and The Empath for a second disk. But, yes, a very satisfying 2 CD set could be made of Duning's great TOS scores.

My "two cents:"

Disk One

Metamorphosis (30:36)
Return to Tomorrow (18:09)
Patterns of Force (two full versions of march theme, ca. 3:00)
And the Children Shall Lead (excerpts, ca, 20 min of 37 min score)

Disk Two

Star Trek S3 MT (Courage, cond. Hatch, 1:01)
The Empath (32:24)
Is There in Truth No Beauty? (36:39)
Star Trek S3 ET (Courage, cond. Hatch, :41)

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2023 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)


Actually, I think you could get most of the Duning cues on to two disks if you didn't include the different versions of the Patterns of Force march (which is just French horns and drums) and trimmed 16-17 minutes from the long, repetitive And the Children Shall Lead score, including such cues as "Triacus" (effectively, memorably tracked into the Let That Be Your Last Battlefield opening teaser) leaving complete presentations of Is There in Truth No Beauty? and The Empath for a second disk. But, yes, a very satisfying 2 CD set could be made of Duning's great TOS scores.



Except that would defeat the purpose of re-releasing all of the TOS TV series music LLL has the rights to. And that would make a lot of people who weren't able to get the box set unhappy (someone's favorite is gonna get dropped). Bad enough GNP retains the rights to episodes and they can't do a reissue of all of it.

The sequencing of the scores may not be ideal for some folks, but at least they've coming back out.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2023 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)


Actually, I think you could get most of the Duning cues on to two disks if you didn't include the different versions of the Patterns of Force march (which is just French horns and drums) and trimmed 16-17 minutes from the long, repetitive And the Children Shall Lead score, including such cues as "Triacus" (effectively, memorably tracked into the Let That Be Your Last Battlefield opening teaser) leaving complete presentations of Is There in Truth No Beauty? and The Empath for a second disk. But, yes, a very satisfying 2 CD set could be made of Duning's great TOS scores.



Except that would defeat the purpose of re-releasing all of the TOS TV series music LLL has the rights to. And that would make a lot of people who weren't able to get the box set unhappy (someone's favorite is gonna get dropped). Bad enough GNP retains the rights to episodes and they can't do a reissue of all of it.

The sequencing of the scores may not be ideal for some folks, but at least they've coming back out.


All I can say is that if LLL released a Duning collection with my suggested sequencing I'd buy it in a heartbeat as you'd still have complete presentations of Metamorphosis, Return, The Empath and In Truth, which would be the scores I would think most people here would want in complete form.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2023 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Getting back to Vol. 3, there's a lot of Steiner gold on it:

WHO MOURNS FOR ADONAIS?
MIRROR, MIRROR
BY ANY OTHER NAME
THE OMEGA GLORY
ELAAN OF TROYIUS
SPOCK’S BRAIN

It's not hard to pick out my favorites: Who Mourns, Elaan of Troyius, and Spock's Brain are all tremendous. I used to wish so much that Steiner had done a third Royal Philharmonic album and covered these three. And here they are.

 
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