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 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Is it possible to change the title of this thead which is an insult to this masterpiece? It really pisses me off to see that.

NO, people don't hate Lawrence of Arabia, film or score. Some people may, but the vast majority of those who are at least a bit interested in cinema don't. So please let's not imply it's a general opinion, and the least that could be done would be to add the word "some" in the title.

Thank you.


Since I was both the one who resurrected this oldie and by coincidence was the last one to post in 2002, let me throw in a few things for whatever it's worth.

The subject title is indeed off-putting. We had celebratory threads going back pre-Y2K Messageboard that are lost forever. So I was surprised while searching for a place to post that the one with this subject title contained several entries relevant to a potential discussion of the theatrical revival this week. As such, for better or worse, it fit the bill.

I just re-read the whole thing and it's actually more of a celebration, again, vs. hate-fest. But I will never forget being chagrined back in the early days at the vitriol some of the 'boarders hurled at Jarre and the film. It was beyond me how anyone who calls himself a serious film/film music appreciator could denigrate a production universally hailed a masterpiece and a composer who was held in high esteem.

Okay, so it was the early days and a couple decades later we're all wiser to the complexity of film/film music appreciation. And our veritable FSPriesthood. Let us treat the naysayers and brickbatters with dignity and class.

Dignity and class. To that end, permit me to end by extending an olive branch to the LOA critics past & present via the immortal heartfelt words of Sir re "the critics" in The Dresser: "I have nothing but compassion for them. How can one hate the crippled, the mentally deficient, and the dead?”

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 11:13 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Seven pages of responses?
Are effing.kidding me!?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

How many did you want?

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 1:41 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

"No... prisoners..........NO PRISONERS!!"

There are a couple of unbeliever infidels on here who should be riding a cart in the turkish column. wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

"No... prisoners..........NO PRISONERS!!"

There are a couple of unbeliever infidels on here who should be riding a cart in the turkish column. wink


God help the men who lie under that.

You forgot Lawrence Drives a Race Car.

Lawrence Drives a Race Car is one of my favorite scores of all time.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Maybe the stuffy name taints the experience. "Larry Of Arabia" would evoke a totally different response.

Goddammit, Last Child, this made me laugh.


Yesterday was a funny day for me. At least among people who were tired, punchy and susceptible to my otherwise ignored comments.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

We certainly wouldn't want to be accused to stereotyping, so I propose we further adjust the name and make it "Larry of Charleston".

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I can cite one big soundtrack problem: no lyrics in the main theme. That was a trend at that time, like the song for TOWN WITHOUT PITY which became a radio hit. Jarre could have easily borrowed lyrics from the Hope/Crosby Road movie, ROAD TO MOROCCO. "Like Webster's Dictionary, we're Morocco bound..."

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

Maybe the stuffy name taints the experience. "Larry Of Arabia" would evoke a totally different response.

MAD Magazine certainly picked up on that notion in the famous parody called "Florence of Arabia"!


It was actually "Flawrence of Arabia" in MAD.

Just to put it in my two cents: I love the film and the score. They've both in my top 10 for years. I first saw the film when I was 12-13 years old and I was entranced, never bored for a second, excited, and generally awe-struck. I've seen it many times since in theaters large and small, in 70mm, on disc, and in recent revivals and I never get tired of it. It is beyond my comprehension how an adult with the slightest interest in cinema beyond mindless action films could find this masterpiece "boring". It captured my imagination at 12...how many 4 hour films can do that?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   Don Norman   (Member)

"This movie has one of my favorite opening credits sequences ever with a slightly off putting camera angle and a scene that you may or may not know is dripping with portence and dread."

What makes this sequence drip with "portence and dread"?

I do see something symbolic in the "geometry" of certain things in the movie, including the title sequence, and I wonder if anyone else sees them too.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

I don't get this movie. Maybe that's for the best. Still think it's adorable that Indiana Jones actually met the guy.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   Don Norman   (Member)

I don't get this movie. Maybe that's for the best. Still think it's adorable that Indiana Jones actually met the guy.
To me, it's a portrait/character study of a rather odd fellow. A flawed anti-hero rather than the typical movie hero. It's also one of the best movie epics if not *the* best movie epic ever made, for a number of reasons.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 8:03 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The music was perfectly spotted, especially the whole first act in which we are firmly embedded within the desert. Take the scene where Gasim is trekking along on foot through the Sun's Anvil and there's that distinctively military sounding drumbeat - tum-tum-tatta-tum. That's right, I've never forgotten it. This is very subtle because it is reminiscent of the drums accompanying a military style execution. Think Paths Of Glory. Gasim is later executed by Lawrence with a pistol and that drumbeat is telling us Gasim is literally a dead man walking, but not for the reasons surrounding the circumstances in which he is in danger of dying as a straggler in the desert. The drum is a musical portent of what is "written," as Auda later chides Lawrence. That suggests the score was very carefully crafted.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Thank you, Grecchus. Your entry makes me want to see it again to concentrate on the scoring. Wanted to see it again Wed. but had prior engagement.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I do see something symbolic in the "geometry" of certain things in the movie, including the title sequence, and I wonder if anyone else sees them too.

I think I see what you're getting at. That is, I saw. smile Anyway, lot of curves and circles. The former included waves in sand, building walkways, architecture galore and weaponry. The latter included the sun, moon, compass, architecture and a vertiginous 360 camera shot (!). Curves symbolic of distortion? flaw?? Circles of traveling in endless loops? And what of curved lenses dangling in the bush; vision a bit off-kilter??

Talk about going around in circles literally and figuratively--the conference table in Damascus with all the tribes finally "united."

Straights and angles denote certainty? As in opening angle shot, death must come to all men. And in the mirage scene a straight pathway leads to confrontation and death. Same for the straight-on west to east charge into Aqaba. But just what was Lawrence's angle in all this?

Submitted for your consideration. And/or maybe my derangement.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

An all-white angel of death? The scene after the Turkish train is derailed sees Lawrence striding along on the carriage roofs, showing off to his arab followers. There's an audio-visual shift, where Lawrence is not actually visually identified as O'Toole. The strings are swirling and Lean definitely is alluding to an almost feminine aspect to the character with windswept drapery seen in silhouette. Then the camera shifts to a close-up of the warrior boots and the music shifts in tone and tune to uncompromising masculinity and you just know Lean is making a meal of the duality of homosexual leanings intermixed with the more brutal aspects of soldiery. Something Oliver Stone would have understood had to be tackled in some identifiable way because it goes with the territory. In his case the overt relationships in Alexander were easier to handle because he made his movie years later in an altogether different climate of social acceptance.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

It's December 1962 in NYC. There is a newspaper strike but the word is out that Lawrence of Arabia is an extraordinary film.
I purchase tickets for late December and I'm lucky as Lawrence is truly a hard ticket in December 1962 at the Criterion Theater. House lights dim. Overture begins. Ok. That's nice. Picture begins. The match cut to the desert with Jarre's music blasting away and this kid is hooked for life.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I've always looked upon the shift to the boots and in the music as emphasizing the flawed human being within his outward messianic appearance.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I've always looked upon the shift to the boots and in the music as emphasizing the flawed human being within his outward messianic appearance.

Yeah, but I also get the impression Lean was going for broke in the blood-letting he was invoking at that point in the movie. He had to use a knife-edge where the suggestion was sudden, and passed by fast enough that an audience would get the point without having to belabour it. Like everything else in the movie, it was cleverly parsed so that the many aspects of the character were all-inclusive in such a way that no-one who knew the full story could say, "hey Lean, you missed a bit!"

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2019 - 9:23 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

cool

 
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