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Overall, i liked the movie. Probably fits somewhere in the middle of the X-men movies. Way better than the Last Stand. Magneto is still my fav. Music definitely elevated the film. You can tell that Disney changed the ending of the movie. And I would still like to see the original outer space ending before it was changed. Oh well.
Disney did not change the ending of the movie.The reshoots were last year and Disney did not acquire Fox until a few months ago this year.
There are rumors that the ending was too similar to Captain Marvel. Kinberg confirmed that Kevin Feige reviewed the script.
If thats the case MAYBE Feige ASKED them to change it.At that time Disney were one of two bidders for Fox ( The other being comcast ).I wish comcast would actually have won the bidding war as they most likely would have left the existing X universe alone and allowed it to continue.Now the X men are going to be shoved into an already overcrowded MCU.Its imposible to believe mutants would be feared if there already superheroes on every street corner.
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Overall, i liked the movie. Probably fits somewhere in the middle of the X-men movies. Way better than the Last Stand. Magneto is still my fav. Music definitely elevated the film. You can tell that Disney changed the ending of the movie. And I would still like to see the original outer space ending before it was changed. Oh well.
Disney did not change the ending of the movie.The reshoots were last year and Disney did not acquire Fox until a few months ago this year.
There are rumors that the ending was too similar to Captain Marvel. Kinberg confirmed that Kevin Feige reviewed the script.
If thats the case MAYBE Feige ASKED them to change it.At that time Disney were one of two bidders for Fox ( The other being comcast ).I wish comcast would actually have won the bidding war as they most likely would have left the existing X universe alone and allowed it to continue.Now the X men are going to be shoved into an already overcrowded MCU.Its imposible to believe mutants would be feared if there already superheroes on every street corner.
Right, I’m just reading the tea leaves. Cap Marvel wasn’t released when the reshoots occurred in Aug-Sept last year....so how did they know the endings were similar? Of course we don’t know who actually made the call to change it, but if Disney hadn’t been in the process of purchasing Fox, would Fox know how Cap Marvel ended?
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Its impossible to believe mutants would be feared if there already superheroes on every street corner.
That's one of the things that's bothered me about the comics versions, honestly. Mutants are feared and reviled but guys like Captain America and the Fantastic Four are heroes. What's the difference? Powers are powers.
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Its impossible to believe mutants would be feared if there already superheroes on every street corner.
That's one of the things that's bothered me about the comics versions, honestly. Mutants are feared and reviled but guys like Captain America and the Fantastic Four are heroes. What's the difference? Powers are powers.
I think the difference, at least to me as a viewer, might be because Cap and the FF were just normal people who were then altered by science or an accident, whereas the fear from mutants is that they are born that way, already set apart at birth with powers that can terrify the rest of humanity.
In addition, the Fantastic Four are public figures that don't have secret identities. The FF, particularly, Johnny Storm, is more than happy to drink up the publicity and participate in numerous fluff interviews with various publications. Because the public was able to get to know them as people, and they always seem to be using some new and wondrous technology, they have always been popular. The Avengers have prominently saved the world many, many times. Plus, they often have ties to the U.S. government, and/or the U.N., so they seem legitimate.
By contrast, the X-Men tend to have smaller battles that are less prominent, usually involving a mutant threat or a threat to mutants. While the Avengers are happy to hold a press conference to explain what happened in the recent battle, the X-Men can't disappear fast enough, and actively avoid the spotlight. The public is far less aware of the good they are doing, and mutant villains like Magneto making very public, seemingly random attacks incites a lot of fear. Without a public and popular figure to stand up for mutants, it is easy for the press, radicals like Senator Kelly, and others to demonize mutants, thus, making people more suspicious of them than say the Avengers, who ironically, often have at least one mutant as a member.
Another aspect is that some in the Marvel Universe see mutants as the next step of human evolution, and instilling a feeling of soon being obsolete (regardless of how preposterous it may sound) leads to many humans hating and fearing mutants while cheering on Iron Man or Captain America.
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Honestly, I’ve never been so bored in my life and the script is so nonsensical and shamelessly full of needless toxic feminism (the kind that makes good women look bad) I almost walked out.
Dark Phoenix is actually a fine example of how to NOT FORCE feminism on any person. It's more concerned with that, than you know? TELLING A GOOD STORY.
ONE line about "X-Women" and that was it. Maybe that final line about emotions, but jeez, really? Toxic feminism? Please...
I enjoyed the film. It wasn't great, but it was miles better than Apocalypse. It had some problems and didn't actually take the lead for Jean established in the last film. The Last Stand made the same mistake and put the blame on Charles. And we haven't spent enough time with this version of Jean and Scott to be emotionally invested in them, so there's some distance there.
The aliens come with no story. Or not a strong one.
The high points: good performances, higher stakes and more personal cost than in Apocalypse. Easier to follow action, and a really great moment of growth for Nightcrawler. The final moments with Erik and Charles are a very nice cap to this series. Zimmer's score works well in the film, but man I wish his end titles were on the album. It's really nice.
Honestly, Kinberg seems to have taken his Last Stand script and updated it to fit the newer cast. As much as I was okay with this film, they really should have ended it all with Days of Future Past. Why each film has to take place "ten years later" is pointless. We're in the mid-90's at this point and nobody looks any older. Certainly nothing like Patrick Stewart or Ian McKlellan...
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Honestly, I’ve never been so bored in my life and the script is so nonsensical and shamelessly full of needless toxic feminism (the kind that makes good women look bad) I almost walked out.
Dark Phoenix is actually a fine example of how to NOT FORCE feminism on any person. It's more concerned with that, than you know? TELLING A GOOD STORY.
ONE line about "X-Women" and that was it. Maybe that final line about emotions, but jeez, really? Toxic feminism? Please...
I enjoyed the film. It wasn't great, but it was miles better than Apocalypse. It had some problems and didn't actually take the lead for Jean established in the last film. The Last Stand made the same mistake and put the blame on Charles. And we haven't spent enough time with this version of Jean and Scott to be emotionally invested in them, so there's some distance there.
The aliens come with no story. Or not a strong one.
The high points: good performances, higher stakes and more personal cost than in Apocalypse. Easier to follow action, and a really great moment of growth for Nightcrawler. The final moments with Erik and Charles are a very nice cap to this series. Zimmer's score works well in the film, but man I wish his end titles were on the album. It's really nice.
Honestly, Kinberg seems to have taken his Last Stand script and updated it to fit the newer cast. As much as I was okay with this film, they really should have ended it all with Days of Future Past. Why each film has to take place "ten years later" is pointless. We're in the mid-90's at this point and nobody looks any older. Certainly nothing like Patrick Stewart or Ian McKlellan...
I'm not sure why they had to keep jumping ahead 10 years, but I guess the producers may not want the series to feel like it became rooted in one particular time period. It could be restrictive from a creative standpoint if the "First Class" era only took place in the 60's/70's.
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I'm still wondering why X-Men: Apocalypse isn't as well-liked. It's not DOFP or X2, but I think it's still really enjoyable and entertaining.
I feel the same way.
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I'm still wondering why X-Men: Apocalypse isn't as well-liked. It's not DOFP or X2, but I think it's still really enjoyable and entertaining.
I feel the same way.
Same here.I really enjoyed Apocalypse.I rate it higher than many MCU movies.The Quicksilver rescue scene is fantastic and the scene in the woods with Magneto and his family is one of the most gut wrenching scenes in the whole franchise.
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The villain is a non-entity, really no personal connection. It feels like a film on auto pilot. But everyone' mileage varies. As I've said, I like a lot of films most people don't.
Like Dark Phoenix. 
Having seen the film, other than "Coda" the score track titles make no sense to me...
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I'm still wondering why X-Men: Apocalypse isn't as well-liked. It's not DOFP or X2, but I think it's still really enjoyable and entertaining.
I feel the same way.
I don't think X-Men: Apocalypse is a bad film, but what damns it for me is its mediocrity. There just isn't anything in the film that wasn't already done better in prior X-Men movies. It doesn't help that some of the key scenes feel too derivative of prior movies. The Quicksilver rescue scene was fun, but it reminds me too much of the X-Men: Days of Future Past Pentagon scene, including playing a contemporary pop song as Quicksilver does his super speed thing. The scene with Magneto and his family was powerful, but not as powerful as the concentration camp scene from the first X-Men film (IMHO, Kamen's music for that scene is the best part of the score). There was also a mutant cage fight, which reminded me too much of the introduction of Wolverine from X-Men.
I also thought Apocalypse was possibly the weakest villain in the series. To be fair, I never cared for him in the comics, so having him work in the movie was going to be a hard sell.
The film certainly has some entertaining moments, but I just can't envision any circumstance where I would choose to watch this film when I could watch a better X-Men movie.
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Zimmer ... (along with Williams POTTER Theme ) has written the only themes ,which people who aren't familiar with filmmusic are able to identify or aware of
Examples, please. Zimmer isn't a Master of Themes. And really, Williams' POTTER scores are the only example? Jaws, Star Wars, Indy Jones, Superman....all of these are in the public more than anything Zimmer composed as far as theme music.
Crimson Tide is kind of memorable, but would the public place it?
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