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I suppose these releases will be digital-only? And maybe we'll later be stung for a three-disc boxset?
Zimmer-Überfans will be delighted.
But really, three releases for one movie? Hans sure knows how to clean his databanks and milk every penny out of it.
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Michael Apted - Why? What was his last good movie? Villeneuve is far more acclaim as a director and in the genre. Has Apted ever done big budget serious sci-fi films?
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And being deceased really limits the number of new genres he could attempt.
Man, ruining a temper tantrum with actual facts? What's next?
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It’s gonna be huge score.
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"Paul's Dream" is basically just a repurposing of Gladiator and Morricone's "Man With a Harmonica", isn't it? And still with the Middle-Eastern schtick. It’s Arrakis, Hans, not Arabia. Didn’t you get the memo?
It was either that or go full Spike Jones with a side of Raymond Scott. Anachronism, uh, finds a, ah, way...
"Ripples in the Sand" sounds like some bro whacking his electric bass in the basement to the beat of his best friend going down on his awfully loud sister on the kitchen table upstairs.
All of that recorded at Abbey Studio? Impressive.
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Jul 24, 2021 - 9:53 PM
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Mephariel
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To no one in particular:
Michael Apted's films stand on their own.
Is it an established fact that only a "genre" director can make a good sci-fi film?
Just wondering.
Michael Apted made the second worst Bond film in the Brosnan era and hasn't made a good film in like 20 years and I was informed he passed away. So do I think only a "genre" director can make a good sci-fi film? No. But why Apted? At least Cameron, a director who is renowned for epic, groundbreaking films makes sense. Also, why Bigelow? That is so random. Bigelow is a good director for sure, but she has never shown interest in fictional world building. She is a very grounded director, specializing in real life adaptions. Perhaps she can make a stellar Dune film, but her films are just as gritty and desaturated as Villeneuve.
I just found it odd that if some of the users on this board are movie producers, they would turn down an acclaimed director like Villeneuve in favor of Apted, Emmerich, and Campbell. The last two are haven't made a good film in like 20 years. The last time Campbell tried to make an epic CGI film was Green Lantern and that was a disaster.
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Jul 24, 2021 - 10:23 PM
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Octoberman
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Michael Apted made the second worst Bond film in the Brosnan era and hasn't made a good film in like 20 years and I was informed he passed away. So do I think only a "genre" director can make a good sci-fi film? No. But why Apted? At least Cameron, a director who is renowned for epic, groundbreaking films makes sense. Also, why Bigelow? That is so random. Bigelow is a good director for sure, but she has never shown interest in fictional world building. She is a very grounded director, specializing in real life adaptions. Perhaps she can make a stellar Dune film, but her films are just as gritty and desaturated as Villeneuve.
A single Bond film is your standard?
If your only argument is that Apted made a bad Bond film, I'm not sure how much traction that's going to have.
Even the most forgiving Bond fans will have one or two they're not crazy about, even if they were to all agree Apted's was their pick for worst.
I just don't think the cut of a director's cloth is necessarily measured by their Bond films.
Do you think all of Villeneuve's 11 films were all masterpieces?
And even if you think they were, that doesn't diminish Apted's legacy one bit.
Watch all of Apted's films, then you'd be qualified to judge.
Or don't--no big deal.
And I say this as someone who enjoys the films of both directors.
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Arguing over Michael Apted in a thread about Hans Zimmer‘s score for DUNE.
Can we also bring in Orson Welles and Taylor Swift?
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So, my main point wasn’t about directors.
But everyone was listed as a way to generally point out how many other options there could have been. I am very sad to learn about the passing of Michael Apted! But the overall criteria, which was fast, was whether the directors have varied films and whether they can handle big-scale action, which includes weird sci-fi.
Michael Apted, who I am so sad to hear has passed, proved his chops with the large-scale World Is Not Enough which I actually think is quite a very good Bond film, but just has a terrible love interest in Denise Richards. But the villains are Dune-like and the set pieces are very ambitious. He had also filmed episodes of “Rome” which was the large-scale precursor to Game of Thrones, rife with Dune-esque wacky costumes. He also excelled at some amazing character dramas with the incredible “Coal Miner’s Daughter” and “Gorillas In The Mist”. But he further demonstrated VERSATILITY with the comedy “Continental Divide” and so many other TV shows, documentaries, etc.
In contrast, Villeneuve does one thing: stifled foggy depressing stories. And not very many of them.
Kathryn Bigelow also popped into my mind alongside James Cameron because she is also contemporary and EXTREMELY varied. Her films range from very Hollywood to Indie, and she has covered big Dune-scale projects with “Zero Dark Thirty” and “K-19”, weird sci-fi with “Strange Days”, popcorn entertainment with “Point Break”, psychological drama with “Hurt Locker”, horror with “Near Dark”.
Like I said, it’s hard to find contemporary auteurs and while she’s not technically an auteur she is known for her very extreme filmmaking which would fit location-filming for Dune.
Wouldn’t call Villeneuve an auteur, just repetitive. His aesthetic style doesn’t have a specific point of view, it’s just kind of - a cold aesthetic…
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Oh yeah, because something like Zero Dark Thirty is extremely similar to Dune.
I like those things the people say because is a big proyect (Dune cost more than 40 million's ZDT), when isn't the same at all.
Villeneuve is an auteur, period, his movies have an style, form and editing, Bigelow is more to the idea of realism, more brutal-realistic ideas.
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In contrast, Villeneuve does one thing: stifled foggy depressing stories. And not very many of them.
Wouldn’t call Villeneuve an auteur, just repetitive. His aesthetic style doesn’t have a specific point of view, it’s just kind of - a cold aesthetic…
You mistake your personal preference as a valid argument and proof.
Villeneuve´s films just aren´t for you. But he has made DUNE. You can hope for another remake down the line directed by someone else. Right now, it´s pointless to argue about it.
Also, before you judge his film you should view it.
Just a thought.
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So the very first thing I said was:
“But hey, I haven’t even seen the movie yet. Just heard the samples from Gladiator and saw the trailer.”
- Jurassic T. Park
In terms of the auteur theory, we might be misunderstanding each other. I’m talking about the actual term itself for which there is a lot of academic writing on the subject. At present time, the control studios have makes it very difficult-to-unlikely that a director can have much influence on the film. Anything DISNEY is a great example and MARVEL in particular where directors will be told their action sequences will be handled separately. Additionally, because we live in a time of constant reboots and franchise films, much of the work going into a film is copying other people. Critics of auteur theory in general would be very correct here because “Dune” is more a product of Frank Herbert than anything else so it would be really hard for the director to claim authorship. Same with “Blade Runner 2049” which is directly copying the more superficial aspects of Ridley Scott’s original while presenting its own twist that completely lacked any warmth or human perspective.
On the other hand, Villeneuve does have his own favored camera angles and moods - not enough to fully qualify him as a true auteur in my opinion, but identifiable enough to guess the atmosphere he’ll favor. “Dune” on the surface seems to be about the existential ennui that Villeneuve is so drawn to, but I think that has always been the trap of “Dune” itself because large parts of it are fun, high-fantasy adventure.
But again, like I first said:
“But hey, I haven’t even seen the movie yet. Just heard the samples from Gladiator and saw the trailer.”
- Jurassic T. Park
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Jul 25, 2021 - 10:21 AM
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Mephariel
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So, my main point wasn’t about directors.
But everyone was listed as a way to generally point out how many other options there could have been. I am very sad to learn about the passing of Michael Apted! But the overall criteria, which was fast, was whether the directors have varied films and whether they can handle big-scale action, which includes weird sci-fi.
Michael Apted, who I am so sad to hear has passed, proved his chops with the large-scale World Is Not Enough which I actually think is quite a very good Bond film, but just has a terrible love interest in Denise Richards. But the villains are Dune-like and the set pieces are very ambitious. He had also filmed episodes of “Rome” which was the large-scale precursor to Game of Thrones, rife with Dune-esque wacky costumes. He also excelled at some amazing character dramas with the incredible “Coal Miner’s Daughter” and “Gorillas In The Mist”. But he further demonstrated VERSATILITY with the comedy “Continental Divide” and so many other TV shows, documentaries, etc.
In contrast, Villeneuve does one thing: stifled foggy depressing stories. And not very many of them.
Kathryn Bigelow also popped into my mind alongside James Cameron because she is also contemporary and EXTREMELY varied. Her films range from very Hollywood to Indie, and she has covered big Dune-scale projects with “Zero Dark Thirty” and “K-19”, weird sci-fi with “Strange Days”, popcorn entertainment with “Point Break”, psychological drama with “Hurt Locker”, horror with “Near Dark”.
Like I said, it’s hard to find contemporary auteurs and while she’s not technically an auteur she is known for her very extreme filmmaking which would fit location-filming for Dune.
Wouldn’t call Villeneuve an auteur, just repetitive. His aesthetic style doesn’t have a specific point of view, it’s just kind of - a cold aesthetic…
Dune is an cerebral, exotic, epic sci-fi with a serious tone. That is as far away from The World is Not Enough as it gets, quality aside. Villeneuve just made 2 thought-provoking sci-fi that were highly acclaimed. And he also made films like Enemy and Prisoners, showing his range as well. There are a lot of directors with range that makes more sense to do a serious world-building epic than Apted: Cameron, Scott, Nolan, Lowery, del Toro, etc. I honestly think there isn't a single studios that would be willing to fund an Apted Dune movie even if he was still alive today.
Bigelow...big fan of hers. I just don't get how she is more "right" for the job when she never even shown interest in this type of filmmaking and Villeneuve has done critical acclaimed films in this category. She is also just as gritty, brutalistic, desaturated as Vileneuve.
Villeneuve is an auteur. He uses simple colors, lightning and shadows to enhance mystery, atmosphere and realism. He often uses slow zooms through objects to show depict the character's place in the world. His films definitely has a very distinct point of view. Not sure what makes his films "repetitive." Blade Runner is nothing like Arrival, which is nothing like Prisoners.
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Two threads in which the same people keep on posting their disgust with two tracks from a score by a composer they don't like, for a movie by a director they don't like, adapted from a novel whose protagonist is called Muad´dib - and some of those people claim they are connoisseurs of that novel despite their ignorance about the clear parallels to the Muslim experience.
Satire?
You don't like this music. Fine. I don't really love it either. I also think Zimmer is highly overrated but a constant self-promoter of the highest degree.
But no one can change the fact that he composed the score to this movie.
If you don't like it, move on to something you like. It´s as simple as that.
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