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 Posted:   Aug 24, 2019 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Academic analyses is a really bad idea for the Arts. Especially music.
Keep it in the scientific and sociological spheres.
We'd all be a lot happier!
Sorry, Thor
wink



Are you getting another one of them there headaches?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2019 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I'm learning a lot from all of the white males on this message board. Thanks for enlightening me.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2019 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I have heard that tempo intrinsically affects us because of its connection to resting vs. active heart rates. That makes sense to me.

That's what it seems like, such as the beat in JAWS or Doomsday Machine. I've heard someone with a pulseless artificial heart didn't feel emotions as intensely, possibly because hormones like adrenaline won't have the same effect.

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2019 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I have heard that tempo intrinsically affects us because of its connection to resting vs. active heart rates. That makes sense to me.

That's what it seems like, such as the beat in JAWS or Doomsday Machine. I've heard someone with a pulseless artificial heart didn't feel emotions as intensely, possibly because hormones like adrenaline won't have the same effect.


YOKO ONO said the same thing. She posits that the farther music gets away from.the human heartbeat the more distance from communicating human emotion.
She cites postWebern serialism as music that lost its connection to the audience's heart because of lack of a 44 beat.
Interesting.

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2019 - 4:36 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Academic analyses is a really bad idea for the Arts. Especially music.
Keep it in the scientific and sociological spheres.
We'd all be a lot happier!
Sorry, Thor
wink



Are you getting another one of them there headaches?


You don't agree, you pointy headed intellectual?

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2019 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

As usual, I find it nearly impossible to figure out who is arguing with whom, and about what.

But it was quite upsetting to see this turn into a food fight (pretty quickly, at that).

I wish people would express their opinions in a more constructive way and be more respectful of each other, and of the subject in this case.

Lukas


Are you serious? You really and truly think that what you linked to is innocuous?


The first 45 pages or so I skimmed thru were nothing but identity politics and nothing to do with music.


Saw the title, then immediately dumped it.


I honestly missed the title of the PDF. I was going off the title for this thread. So yes I was a little blind sided by what I read. Guess I should have paid closer attention. But I read on because I wanted to give it a fair chance. After 45 pages of so I gave up. The sections Lukas found insightful must be further down the doc.


The Solium Miscalculation
smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2019 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

You don't agree, you pointy headed intellectual?


I am, indeed, pointy-headed. But I am no intellectual.
I am a proud sensualist, with occasional delusions of creative, independent thought.

Some of YOU other folks are major brains, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2019 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

NOTES ON MUSIC MEETING – 12/8/64
...
12 – Leith Stevens – Doing Novack – Did the last few shows for Empire. Scored a
feature with a Science Fiction theme.



Someone forgot the [sic] on "Novack"

The reference is to the James Franciscus television show "Mr. Novak" (1963-65).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2019 - 9:53 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Saw the title, then immediately dumped it.

I'm surprised the author's name didn't scare you off....Jessica Getman always gets her man.

Had to get that in before the thread gets locked.

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2019 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I hope we can manage this without the thread getting locked. A lot of this makes me sad, but people not being able to talk to each other at all makes me sadder.

I would probably be able to read this thing if I didn't so much time reading threads like this.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   Joe 1956   (Member)

Some of us care that Civilization is truly going insane.


Translation:
I know beforehand that something is going to piss me off, so I'm going to click on it anyway and then blame civilization going insane.
razz

Of COURSE it's going insane. Tell me something I don't know.
(Just because I don't make speeches about it doesn't mean I don't care, BTW.
It just means I take my speeches to an appropriate venue.)


Stereotypical intellectual dishonesty.

The title of this thread is not the title of the dissertation, so just how did anyone know what this was about until they clicked?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 4:11 AM   
 By:   Joe 1956   (Member)



I have heard that tempo intrinsically affects us because of its connection to resting vs. active heart rates. That makes sense to me.

There is also quite a lot of research on the harmonic "overtones" which basically has to do with the frequencies of some notes being embedded inside other notes, because of how the sine waves interact. This is why we have octaves and the scale that we do, and why certain harmonies sound pleasant and others more unpleasant (as most people would interpret them).

Lukas


To me, it's primal, going far beyond hearing your Mom's heartbeat while in the womb. Why is dancing so popular when younger? And you can still feel driven to tap your foot even when older.

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Stereotypical intellectual dishonesty.
The title of this thread is not the title of the dissertation, so just how did anyone know what this was about until they clicked?



Are you seriously going to be this adversarial after everyone else has chilled out?
Okay, if you want to be pedantic-without-purpose, I will rephrase to fit your strawman.

"Translation:
I know before hand that something might piss me off, so I'm going to read on AFTER I see the title anyway and then blame civilization going insane."

Happy now?
So you figured out the detail that you had to click on the link to find out the actual title. Bravo, my friend.
The bigger point is, even if the paper pissed me off, this is not the place I would whine about it.
big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 5:25 AM   
 By:   Joe 1956   (Member)

Stereotypical intellectual dishonesty.
The title of this thread is not the title of the dissertation, so just how did anyone know what this was about until they clicked?



Are you seriously going to be this adversarial after everyone else has chilled out?
Okay, if you want to be pedantic-without-purpose, I will rephrase to fit your strawman.

"Translation:
I know before hand that something might piss me off, so I'm going to read on AFTER I see the title anyway and then blame civilization going insane."

Happy now?
So you figured out the detail that you had to click on the link to find out the actual title. Bravo, my friend.
The bigger point is, even if the paper pissed me off, this is not the place I would whine about it.
big grin


You seem triggered. Have a tissue.

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

You seem triggered. Have a tissue.


Kudos!
Now you display the fallback position of the keyboard sniper that can dish it out but can't take it.
Or the internet version of picking up his ball and going home.
Take your pick. wink

I'm as intellectually pretentious as all get out, but never intellectually dishonest. big grin

Now let's stow the grot and have a drink.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I'm as intellectually pretentious as all get out, but never intellectually dishonest. big grin

Now let's stow the grot and have a drink.


All we have left is....bitter dregs. frown

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I'm as intellectually pretentious as all get out, but never intellectually dishonest. big grin

Now let's stow the grot and have a drink.


All we have left is....bitter dregs. frown


It's not even 8am and I have now had reason to think of that song twice. This does not bode well for the day.

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

All we have left is....bitter dregs. frown


Made me laugh out loud!

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I hope we can manage this without the thread getting locked. A lot of this makes me sad, but people not being able to talk to each other at all makes me sadder.

I would probably be able to read this thing if I didn't so much time reading threads like this.


Believe me; you're better.off.right here!
smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2019 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I hope we can manage this without the thread getting locked. A lot of this makes me sad, but people not being able to talk to each other at all makes me sadder.

I would probably be able to read this thing if I didn't so much time reading threads like this.


Believe me; you're better.off.right here!
smile


No.

Learn what every composer and record label has over the years. Spend as little time here as possible for a happier healthier life.

 
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