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 Posted:   Apr 17, 2021 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

"Raiders" is 11 out of 10!

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2021 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

"Raiders" is 11 out of 10!

It is not.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2021 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I still haven't found a copy of the LAST Jones cd in the library, to preview it for purchase! frown

Now there's going to be another.....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2021 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Raiders is 1,981 out of 10 for me.

The only reasons why it’s not 1,982 is because that not the year the movie came out, and then a fly lands on Belloq’s mouth and that’s just too imperfect for today’s standards where every organic aspect of filmmaking in reality is CGed out.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

"Raiders" is 11 out of 10!

Since no film is perfect, I'd give it a 10 out of 10.
11 is just to unrealistic. Probably Spielberg's second best film though.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

A perfect 10 out of 10 rating would have a climax where the payoff is actually a 'payoff' and not some random bit that makes everything turn out alright in the end. If you introduce a solution with no setup, your story is cheating.

9 out of 10

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

"Raiders" is 11 out of 10!

Since no film is perfect, I'd give it a 10 out of 10.
11 is just to unrealistic. Probably Spielberg's second best film though.



...after "CE3K"? OK, if that's the film you mean, I'm fine with it!

("Raiders" for me is simply one of the greatest films of all time - no kiddin'! (And my list includes titles as varied as "Wild Strawberries" and "Psycho", "8 1/2" and "Best Years of Our Lives", "Singin' in the Rain" and "Vertigo", Dreyer's "Ordet" and Curtiz's "Robin Hood".)

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

...after "CE3K"? OK, if that's the film you mean, I'm fine with it!

Which cut though?

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

"Raiders" is 11 out of 10!

Since no film is perfect, I'd give it a 10 out of 10.
11 is just to unrealistic. Probably Spielberg's second best film though.



...after "CE3K"? OK, if that's the film you mean, I'm fine with it!

("Raiders" for me is simply one of the greatest films of all time - no kiddin'! (And my list includes titles as varied as "Wild Strawberries" and "Psycho", "8 1/2" and "Best Years of Our Lives", "Singin' in the Rain" and "Vertigo", Dreyer's "Ordet" and Curtiz's "Robin Hood".)


I think Jaws is Spielberg's best directed film, followed by Raiders. Maybe they tie for first. CE3K maybe third. (no pun intended)

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

...after "CE3K"? OK, if that's the film you mean, I'm fine with it!

Which cut though?



Either theatrical or director's cut - I like both.
If hard pressed I'd say the former.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The "problem" with Raiders - as pointed out to some amusement on The Big Bang Theory - is that Indiana Jones is entirely irrelevant to it. Events - and indeed the outcome - would have been exactly the same with or without him. He's a bystander. An onlooker. That doesn't spoil a rollercoaster action adventure but it does make you think!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

The "problem" with Raiders - as pointed out to some amusement on The Big Bang Theory - is that Indiana Jones is entirely irrelevant to it. Events - and indeed the outcome - would have been exactly the same with or without him. He's a bystander. An onlooker. That doesn't spoil a rollercoaster action adventure but it does make you think!

Yes, I know that BIG BANG THEORY episode. I liked the line when Sheldon said to Amy, "Not only did you ruin RAIDERS, but you may have ruined the entire series, except for the 4th one, that was bad before you got your mitts on it!"

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The "problem" with Raiders - as pointed out to some amusement on The Big Bang Theory - is that Indiana Jones is entirely irrelevant to it. Events - and indeed the outcome - would have been exactly the same with or without him. He's a bystander. An onlooker. That doesn't spoil a rollercoaster action adventure but it does make you think!

Not true at all! He found the Ark. The Nazis were digging in the wrong location. And followed the Nazis to the secret hideout where they opened the Ark. Presumably all the Nazi's died (though what about the U-Boat crew?!) so Indie and Marion were the only two who knew the final location of the Ark on the island and handed it over to the US government, which was his mission.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Not true at all! He found the Ark. The Nazis were digging in the wrong location.

In that case, he made things WORSE! lol

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Well, Indy got Marion involved who had the Medallion. Without that, the Nazis probably never would have found the ark - BUT - the risk was always there that eventually they could, so better for the US to find it first.

Indy also managed to destroy the plane for Berlin, which prevented the ark from getting directly to Hitler. As it’s unknown WHERE and HOW the ark would have been opened, it’s possible Hitler might not have directly observed it and would have tested it, discovering that you needed to close your eyes to survive.

Also, it seemed unlikely that Belloq was going to Berlin or that he was even going to conduct the pre-Ark opening “Jewish ritual” that the Nazis despised. Without that, it may never have activated at all.

Finally, had the Nazis decided to independently test it themselves on their island, they all might have died the same way with nobody else to find it again OR backup Nazis coming to pick it up. That Marion and Indy were there AND survived meant they could get it to the Allies safely.

Also, somebody was complaining about how Indy apparently knew magically to close his eyes - not quite true. He’s very familiar with the story as shown in the University scene, the picture in the book clearly shows dangerous flames and electricity killing people from which people are shielding their eyes, AND it’s fair to assume that Indy, having been to Sunday school, is familiar with closing your eyes to humble yourself to God, if for no other reason than it’s representation of faith and that you don’t need to SEE it to BELIEVE it.

There’s an interesting anecdote from Leonard Nimoy about how he learned the Vulcan salute from a priest performing a ceremony. He was told not to look during the ceremony, but he peeked and saw the priest doing the hand symbol.

That’s more than enough foreshadowing which is a staple in classic, well-made films that don’t overdo it.

But if you want 2010s, Marvel-level of exposition answering the Washington men’s question of “What’s that?” then yeah you might be disappointed they didn’t ram it down your throat with “Oh those are bolts of lightning that shoot out of the ark when it’s opened. See, ghosts and spirits emerge and you must close your eyes to protect yourself from getting zapped. Pretty heavy stuff. Um, Star lord Star lord - Robert Downey Jr quip?”

Raiders is perfection.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

@ Jurassic T. Park - Yep, Indie did a lot! Yes, he foreshadowed what was to happen if you opened the ark from the book.

PS: That's why as a life long nerd I disliked The Big Bang Theory. It's Hollywood nerds which isn't the same thing. They think they're clever but they're not. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

@ Jurassic T. Park - Yep, Indie did a lot! Yes, he foreshadowed what was to happen if you opened the ark from the book.

PS: That's why as a life long nerd I disliked The Big Bang Theory. It's Hollywood nerds which isn't the same thing. They think they're clever but they're not. wink


That sounds like me, I must be a Hollywood nerd at heart!wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

@ Jurassic T. Park - Yep, Indie did a lot! Yes, he foreshadowed what was to happen if you opened the ark from the book.

PS: That's why as a life long nerd I disliked The Big Bang Theory. It's Hollywood nerds which isn't the same thing. They think they're clever but they're not. wink


That sounds like me, I must be a Hollywood nerd at heart!wink


You're a true nerd buddy!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2021 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

@ Jurassic T. Park - Yep, Indie did a lot! Yes, he foreshadowed what was to happen if you opened the ark from the book.

PS: That's why as a life long nerd I disliked The Big Bang Theory. It's Hollywood nerds which isn't the same thing. They think they're clever but they're not. wink


That sounds like me, I must be a Hollywood nerd at heart!wink


You're a true nerd buddy!


That's the nicest thing anybody has ever said to me!smileAlso, I wouldn't take THE BIG BANG THEORY seriously about Indiana Jones, in one episode Sheldon was saying how STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE was bad in every way including music? The music is one of the best scores ever!

 
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