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 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

I'm personally invested or interested to talk about the movie and the Dune series with people who have perspective instead of just seeing endless repetitive responses from the same three people who have nothing of interest to say.

Ok, let’s have a diverse conversation about Dune…..

…. What did you think of the sand they used in the movie? Personally I found it a bit too granular. The way Herbert wrote about it I always kind of imagined it being like really soft like you would get on a beach in Mexico. But the way the FX people did it was kind of more a kid’s sandbox.

Also, didn’t you think it was odd that there was all that sand and nobody had built a sandcastle? Surely the Fremen would have got the odd day off from resistance fighting and built a few? I think the film makers really screwed up there.

And finally, why was nobody eating ice cream? People always eat ice cream at the beach and let’s face it Arrakis is like a giant beach. Plus it’s fucking hot there so maybe if they had eaten some ice cream they wouldn’t need those Stillsuits.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

You know what would have been great in Dune? A scene where the worms did a little dance.

I mean, I really like the film but it was pretty intense so a brief interlude with worms dancing along to, say, the Edsel’s Rama Lama Ding Dong, would have just brought a bit of levity to the proceedings.

Plus think about the debate such a scene would spark here! We would all enjoy discussing whether it was a wise choice to go with CGi as opposed to making the worms out of sock puppets for example.

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Ok, let’s have a diverse conversation about Dune…..

1.)
…. What did you think of the sand they used in the movie? Personally I found it a bit too granular. The way Herbert wrote about it I always kind of imagined it being like really soft like you would get on a beach in Mexico. But the way the FX people did it was kind of more a kid’s sandbox.
2.)
Also, didn’t you think it was odd that there was all that sand and nobody had built a sandcastle? Surely the Fremen would have got the odd day off from resistance fighting and built a few? I think the film makers really screwed up there.
3.)
And finally, why was nobody eating ice cream? People always eat ice cream at the beach and let’s face it Arrakis is like a giant beach. Plus it’s fucking hot there so maybe if they had eaten some ice cream they wouldn’t need those Stillsuits.


I'll appease you so we can have so fun. Quite obviously your post is a lark but we can have fun so let's do that.

1.)
Arrakis is a planet where water is so scare it might as well be non-existent. The soft sands of the Gulf Coast are a far cry: they are regularly moistened by the sea, natural salts, and low winds.
2.)
Sandcastles are quite a pleasure, aren't they? Such luxuries are few in the tyranny and oppression of the Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV's empire as depicted in the first part of this story of Dune.
3.)
See point 2

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

You know what would have been great in Dune? A scene where the worms did a little dance.

Well the sandworms have a lot of personality, even the sandworm that chases Paul and Lady Jessica before they encounter the Fremen group seems to dance to the rhythm of the thumper and taunt them. So I guess they actually did what you wanted them to do!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

Those shields gadgets the guys from House Atreides wore were really nifty I thought. Love the sound effects too.

The only thing that would have improved them - and I’m trying not to be negative here because I don’t want to upset anyone - would be if when Leto and Idaho’s shields were penetrated, they played the little sound that PacMan makes when the ghosties get him. It would have made their deaths more impactful because people who play Pac-Man would identify with dying.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

@Nuts.

I am glad you feel a little better now. I am probably a pain in the neck sometimes.
Guys like Solium and I - we got certain ideas about things, we are not gonna let it go.
When a guy like JJ or DV wants to use practical effects I am thrilled as can be.
I think DV actually used more real model effects in 2049.

Don't get so mad at us dude.
The slant of the board is often more critical than positive, I say critical, not negative though.
Some of us are just darn picky. Take it easy man

I agree about Avengers idea ice cream on Dune. That fits with my alternative film of Dune, which would have been made by the Wachowski's, and in the nutty outlandish fun style of Speed Racer, robust colors and spectacular surrealism

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I like a bit of sarcasm as much as the next person, and probably more than most.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)


Arrakis is a planet where water is so scare it might as well be non-existent. The soft sands of the Gulf Coast are a far cry: they are regularly moistened by the sea, natural salts, and low winds.


But wait, what about worm piss? Surely that would have made all the sand a bit clumpy like when kids take a whizz in a sandbox? With all the rich anthropology built into the film I can’t believe they missed something so basic. Heck they could even have had a scene were a worm rises up and takes a giant piss, with Idaho saying to Paul “urine trouble now”.

I should have written the Dune screenplay.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

You know what would have been great in Dune? A scene where the worms did a little dance.

Well the sandworms have a lot of personality, even the sandworm that chases Paul and Lady Jessica before they encounter the Fremen group seems to dance to the rhythm of the thumper and taunt them. So I guess they actually did what you wanted them to do!


Well, you may be right my friend, but they could have really made the scene even better if, when they are trying to escape from the worms, they did the old Wilson & Keppel sand dance routine. Zimmer could have scored the scene with an orchestral version of The Bangels’ Walk Like An Egyptian.

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)


But wait, what about worm piss?


You ever seen a worm piss? Think of the children.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)


But wait, what about worm piss?


You ever seen a worm piss? Think of the children.


Children Of Dune Piss

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Piss-Emperor of Dune

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

Piss-Emperor of Dune

Dune Mess - and part 2 - Dune Mess Higher.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

Piss-Emperor of Dune

Dune Mess - and part 2 - Dune Mess Higher.


Crapter House Dune

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

Piss-Emperor of Dune

Dune Mess - and part 2 - Dune Mess Higher.


Crapter House Dune


Haemorrhoids of Dune

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I guess I should collectively apologize on behalf of the filmmakers for not impressing you. I honestly don't know what anyone here expects or wants from anything because your expectations are so lofty and mighty and from a good handful of users here I'd say joy is but a fleeting word they've never experienced because to reiterate repetitious negativity satisfies your gullet to the highest of highs. We get it. You are contrarians. The internet pushes a dozen of you out a minute. For all I know, you are probably an AI designed to be annoying.


Translation:
"Opinions that disagree with mine make me hurt in my fee-fees, because I come here looking for validation."

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I haven't seen DUNE yet, but speaking of cgi, in JURASSIC PARK I actually prefer the cgi dinosaurs to the animatronic ones. But in space movies I prefer models to cgi.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


Translation:
"Opinions that disagree with mine make me hurt in my fee-fees, because I come here looking for validation."



Read the room, dude

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I like some of the "light" comments.

As I said before, I enjoyed the movie. I was surprised at how tense I felt in a few parts. For me ratcheting up tension keeps me interested in a narrative.

For those who have seen this movie, I'd like your opinions on the acting. Here are my thoughts.

I have always liked Rebecca Ferguson and thought she did a terrific job as Paul's mother. I thought she was the best actor in the film. Oscar Isaac did a good job, but he wasn't in the film enough. Really enjoyed Jason Momoa. He didn't have a big part, but when he was on screen, he held my interest.

Of course the lead was Timothee Chalamet who was Paul. I have always thought he was a terrific actor for such a young man. I especially liked him in Little Women and Call Me By Your Name. On the other hand, I felt he was a bit bland in DUNE. Just my opinion. Perhaps the narrative in part 2 and the director will pull more from him in terms of inhabiting Paul's character.

 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2021 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Hi Joan!

Excellent point of conversation. I found all the actors wonderful in their roles. My favorites being Rebecca Ferguson and Jason Momoa.

For Momoa, this is the first time where I truly understood his appeal. He fell into this "Keanu Reeves" mould which I have come to understand the more decades in which Reeves acts: you have to use his strengths, to illicit a truly unique character. Reeves is actually quite gifted and can play a variety of roles, and many of them particularly memorable. But the scriptwriters and directors have to make it fit Reeves' natural charisma and being. I find it is now the same with Momoa. The director Villeneuve was able to tap into what it is about Momoa that is natural, and extract that. Same with the script by Eric Roth. They gave him the part of the noble, and humble, warrior. Bright eyed and optimistic, but driven by honor and the call to battle.

Ferguson is a gifted actor through and through. While recently watching Ridley Scott's The Last Duel I found myself internally philosophizing the nature of actors and what makes some stand so high above others as far as performance. I contrast Matt Damon and Adam Driver while watching the film. Damon, long since a veteran of films, is like John Wayne. His presence is what he brings to the role. He can walk on screen, convincingly say the lines, move with the action, and we believe in that because we've seen him do it enough. On the other spectrum is Adam Driver, an actor who utilizes his entire body, his face, his voice, to act. He inhabits a character and each one can be different. Rebecca Ferguson is the latter. And she brings to each role a sense of feminine grace and dominance. She was an absolutely perfect Lady Jessica.

Timothee Chalamet is a very fine young actor. He astounded me in the beautiful Call Me By Your Name and I was also impressed by his work in The King and Little Women. For Dune, he does entirely what is asked of him and for me it is the revelation that Paul is a genetic experiment. By design he is bland and fits an archetype. Chalamet brings a great singular interiority that I think Kyle Maclachlan might've done better before him, but it is still there. Particularly during the scene when Paul and Lady Jessica share the tent in their first night following the extermination of their family, friends, and protectors. Of course in the translation of text to screen we lose that third person omniscient representation of who Paul Atriedes is, but this adaptation managed to do a lot with a little: Paul struggles to master the Voice, Paul is an astute learner always engaged with battle training or his film-books, Paul feels concern he can't live up to his father despite his father insisting he already has, Paul struggles with understanding the concept that he is being set up as a messianic figure, and et al. The film manages to take time establishing these details and will even re-iterate them throughout in other scenes.

 
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