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Hey zoomom - you aint getting that box set back - i like it too much! Ha ha.
Some real experts on here - thanks octoberman and onya and edw, thats really helpful.
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Apr 27, 2016 - 2:10 AM
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Octoberman
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What are you trying to do, spoiling someone's enjoyment of the music? Stop it. Get off the sound quality thing. I don't refer people to bad quality recordings. I don't even mention bad quality recordings. Assume that I know better and move on.
All official Sinatra releases are in professional sound quality. No exceptions.
Since the OP has already stated she won't be buying the high-priced box-sets with the audiophile quality -- like The Capitol Years box released by EMI in the U.K. -- there's no point in going there. Besides, the Capitol Records Concept Albums provide exactly the same thing with The Complete Capitol Singles Collection filling in the missing tracks which the U.K. box has on the "This Is Sinatra" discs.
Since the OP has already expressed satisfaction with the Norberg-mastered The Complete Capitol Singles Collection it would be more productive to talk about the contents of the discs than nitpicking over which has higher highs and lower lows.
You seem confused with who said what. I am not on any "sound quality thing". Nor did I say anything that could be even remotely construed as spoiling her enjoyment of the music. That's your own projection, I think.
I merely asked, in passing, if the Concepts set had a mastering credit for my own curiosity.
And if you check again, you'll see that I was not aiming her towards any of the large, deluxe sets.
I do not assume anything else on Eee-Dee's part, apart from what she has already stated, and I certainly do not assume that you know better.
However, I respect that you have, as we all do, an opinion. A well-informed one, even.
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Apr 27, 2016 - 5:42 PM
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edwzoomom
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What are you trying to do, spoiling someone's enjoyment of the music? Stop it. Get off the sound quality thing. I don't refer people to bad quality recordings. I don't even mention bad quality recordings. Assume that I know better and move on.
All official Sinatra releases are in professional sound quality. No exceptions.
Since the OP has already stated she won't be buying the high-priced box-sets with the audiophile quality -- like The Capitol Years box released by EMI in the U.K. -- there's no point in going there. Besides, the Capitol Records Concept Albums provide exactly the same thing with The Complete Capitol Singles Collection filling in the missing tracks which the U.K. box has on the "This Is Sinatra" discs.
Since the OP has already expressed satisfaction with the Norberg-mastered The Complete Capitol Singles Collection it would be more productive to talk about the contents of the discs than nitpicking over which has higher highs and lower lows.
You seem confused with who said what. I am not on any "sound quality thing". Nor did I say anything that could be even remotely construed as spoiling her enjoyment of the music. That's your own projection, I think.
I merely asked, in passing, if the Concepts set had a mastering credit for my own curiosity.
And if you check again, you'll see that I was not aiming her towards any of the large, deluxe sets.
I do not assume anything else on Eee-Dee's part, apart from what she has already stated, and I certainly do not assume that you know better.
However, I respect that you have, as we all do, an opinion. A well-informed one, even.
I did not take Octoberman's comments as pushing only recordings with quality sound only. In all honesty, I have recordings by Sinatra and Nat King Cole that are mono and a bit muddy but I still listen to them without any complaints. It is the content I look for. I have no concept of the use of "noise reduction" or "added reverb". I leave these terms to the rest of you. I am there for the content. If the quality is enhanced, of course I notice. However, how the recording got that way is not my expertise.
I am grateful for all of the information provided here and look forward to hearing more.
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Apr 28, 2016 - 4:20 AM
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MusicMad
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We each have our favourite songs or albums ... even periods of recording, be it the Columbia, Capitol or Reprise years ... or earlier with Harry James / Tommy Dorsey, etc. And, of course, there're the distinctive sounds of the various regular arrangers: Riddle, May, Stordhal, Jenkins, Costa, Freeman, Hefti et al.
And I recognise, like many others, that Sinatra's recordings in the 1950s were exemplary (provided you like his singing!). But whereas others will plump for his recordings with Nelson Riddle or Billy May, I find I enjoy his recordings with Gordon Jenkins just that little bit more.
The trouble with box sets is that it's almost too much, too quickly and it's easy to pass over what is a phenomenal recording because there's always another album to play. I've known - and loved - most of Sinatra's recordings for the Capitol and Reprise eras, together with a large number of earlier recordings, for many years but it's amazing how good and fresh a song I haven't heard in quite some time will sound.
But one song, above all others, has been a favourite for a long time and I urge you to get hold of his 1957 album Where Are You? ... tr.8 I'm a fool to want you ... near 5 minutes of pure bliss. He had recorded the song with Axel Stordhal in 1951 (with the Ray Charles Singers) and that is fabulous ... but the later Gordon Jenkins' arrangement in what was Sinatra's first stereo album surpasses that earlier recording, creating a work of pure art. The album features a few other wonderful songs, too, including Leonard Bernstein's Lonely Town from his musical On the Town (which was left out of the film version), the perennial favourite: Autumn Leaves and the best ever reading of David Raksin's and Johnny Mercer's Laura.
An incredible album (albeit my wife dislikes the final track: Baby won't you please come home - the lyric being somewhat questionable in these enlightened days!)
Mitch
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Just a short reply for now: KEEP AWAY from the official Capitol albums (and that includes the 'Concepts' box set) currently available in the US. ALL of these are Norberged. And the singles box set is only the top of the iceberg of how awful they sound. The white singles set was one of Bob Norberg's better masterings - he ruined all of the Sinatra Capitol albums...
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