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He also gets my vote for best ever Lex Luthor.
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Dec 7, 2019 - 6:09 AM
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Rozsaphile
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. . .I love Michael Jackson, Roman Polanski, Bernard Herrmann, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Klaus Kinski, Mel Gibson, Jon Voight, you name it. I separate the appreciation of their artistic work from their controversial non-artistic sides. Please don't include Mr. Herrmann with the rest of these wankers, especially Polanski, Jackson and Kinski. Yes, the seeming false equivalencies in that list, though doubtless unintended by Thor, could cause pain in some readers. The classic case, of course, is Richard Wagner, who was by all accounts a disagreeable human being and whose anti-Semitism looms larger than ever after the horrors of the 20th century. Still his titanic work endures.
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Pretty much FOR THOR: I viewed 'The Usual Suspects' last night for the very first time. I think the reason I'd never seen the film when it came out was because after a few minutes, it seemed like some 'Police Story' type film, and they are usually not my type of film. If this film came out today, I would pass on it again 'at face value', and of course, that would be MY mistake. Somewhere near the beginning, the name of a key-character comes up, 'KEISER SOUZA'. Now, when I heard that, it took me right back 25 years ago and, I remembered that name seemed to be everywhere at the time, yet I still didn't know WHO it was. Thor, you were correct about that twist ending, when it came, it hit me like a brick to the head! I can't help but wonder if Director M.Night Shayamalen started writing his screenplays ALL with twist endings after seeing this film? Here's something else, seeing it for the first time: There was a LOT of 'Gay Talent' in the film. By this, I mean mostly the people behind, (and then closeted Spacey in front of), the cameras. Director Bryan Singer, Composer John Ottman, Editor, (again), John Ottman, the Director Paul Bartel who's scene wearing a white suite in the back-seat of a Police Car on fire was pivotal. And a 'throw-away' scene: One of the actors is seen at night standing in front of a magazine store window and is lit from behind by the light from the window. Right in the middle of the window is a copy of 'The Advocate', a gay magazine, and on the cover of the magazine is RUDY GULLIANNI, much younger and with hair. Why he's on the cover is a mystery now, but it was startling to see. Overall, KEVIN SPACEY is sensational in this film and deserved his Oscar. I can't even recall who else was nominated that year, but Spacey made himself known here!
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Regarding Spacey, I never really got why he was so beloved. I find his performances rather coma inducing. He just never really did anything for me. And it has nothing to do with accusations leveled against him. The Solium Obstinancy He's a fantastic actor. Always interesting!
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Regarding Spacey, I never really got why he was so beloved. I find his performances rather coma inducing. He just never really did anything for me. And it has nothing to do with accusations leveled against him. Maybe Spacey had his stint in 'theatrical London' for a reason. I mean, we have our share of drama queens, so why is it alright for some and not for others? There must be some other misdemeanor one is sent down for that only the establishment cult figures pass judgment on and in which fare paying peasants are not privvy to. There's a lot of it going about, these days - highly selective quid pro quo shenanigans - it depends how much favor is curried here and there. What else is new? ?
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Fantastic actor is as over the top as totally not guilty in my book. I mean he's good in his roles, but I can't think of anything SO amazing... If he is a bad person he needs to be done for it. But my feeling is that if the person or persons accusing are found out to be wrong/bad etc., then THEY should be brought to book. Not sure if we ever hear of this. We all know this stuff is a minefield. All those of us who like the work of these people can do, is see what happens and make up our own minds. I grew up with Jimmy Saville in the UK, who was to many a paragon of virtue for quite a few reasons. And since this guy, we have I think learned to wait and see. We have judges and juries for a reason. It's never cut and dried. Hanging someone and finding out later actually...... is a terrible thing. I'm probably a 'liberal' for not believing in the death penalty. But at least whatever happens next.. the person at least is still here to tell the tale. Btw. Take no notice of me. Just come back from the pub. Know what? It's amazing what a job it does in being everything from counselling to therapy. Just with conversation and yep, just a little alcohol. Not those HUGE! leaps in Thor's beers content I might add.
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Dec 7, 2019 - 11:24 AM
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Grecchus
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A & C. Maybe you have to be a Brit to get some idea of what I'm implying. Spacey is gay, bi or whatever. The British dramatic establishment is rife with that type of persona and Spacey might have come to the UK to thrive in it. That makes sense to me. What has happened in recent years is that some people who were a part of that deep and closeted establishment and who experienced years and years, if not decade after decade under the norm of complete and total protection from exposure under an umbrella of respectability, had the rug pulled out from under them in a flash. People like Rolf Harris were darlings of this way of life. Indeed they could do no wrong. Their long and continued public impression of whiter than whiteliness was one of the factors that maintained the outward impression of continued stability and family balance etc, etc, etc. That is how things used to be. Then, very suddenly and almost without warning, that tradition of constancy changed overnight. It seems to have everything to do with instanstaneous communication that modern media feasts on for that feverish buzz of controversial gratification that calls for sacrificial victims to be strung out on the altar of sacrifice, thick and fast. In fact, it's so chaotic that no one actually knows whose turn it is to get passed around next. I did actually think the gist of what I was saying was clear in my previous post. Obviously not. With Spacey, what seems to have happened is that he gained a learned response where being notoriously indiscrete, when there were pre-existing 'closet' norms, had no comeback. All that has changed with the new pardigm of accepted 'normality,' where it's okay to be 'bad' just so long as the hypocritical finger of 'justice' does not catch up with you.
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