I was actually very surprised by all the negativity it got on here. I consider it the second best lightsaber fight Ive seen since the Luke/Vader duel in Empire. We couldn't be more opposites on that one.
I've been mulling over a descriptive for that updated fight and the only one I can find that sort of fits is "alarmist". Much like a Jerry Bruckheimer picture, it tries to make something exciting by upping the volume or the effects instead of adding any actual drama.
@ steffromuk - Yes, you're right on. It was actually pretty embarrassing how they kept adding filter after filter like someone learning Photoshop for the very first time. I've admired your custom cover art on the other side of the board. You clearly have a sound foundation in artistic principles along with technical skills.
I was actually very surprised by all the negativity it got on here. I consider it the second best lightsaber fight Ive seen since the Luke/Vader duel in Empire. We couldn't be more opposites on that one.
I've been mulling over a descriptive for that updated fight and the only one I can find that sort of fits is "alarmist". Much like a Jerry Bruckheimer picture, it tries to make something exciting by upping the volume or the effects instead of adding any actual drama.
I hope that makes sense.
Yes, that makes sense and that's generally my criticism of modern day action sequences. This one works for me , for whatever reason.
I appreciate the light-sourcing and shadow work in their animation, but the biggest thing that struck me was how the original footage shows fighters actually *flying*... . The impression is that the pilots are at the controls of craft that they are trying to steer through a hail of gunfire, subject to not entirely understood yet wholly cool and (seemingly) realistic buffeting forces.
If done in a day, alright... pretty darn good. But **not** better than.
And not every beam or bolt needs attendant diminishing particle clouds. Nothing wrong with them in the glorious original.
And (breath...) the contrast of which they speak is sometimes a good thing, the ships to the trench walls. Burying them under vfx can lose the impact.
I appreciate the light-sourcing and shadow work in their animation, but the biggest thing that struck me was how the original footage shows fighters actually *flying*... . The impression is that the pilots are at the controls of craft that they are trying to steer through a hail of gunfire, subject to not entirely understood yet wholly cool and (seemingly) realistic buffeting forces.
If done in a day, alright... pretty darn good. But **not** better than.
And not every beam or bolt needs attendant diminishing particle clouds. Nothing wrong with them in the glorious original.
And (breath...) the contrast of which they speak is sometimes a good thing, the ships to the trench walls. Burying them under vfx can lose the impact.
Agreed! The limitations of the optical effects actually made the shot more readable. I don't believe the ion cannon fire would cast that much reflective light on the X-wings. The green lighting is way over done. There wouldn't necessarily be shadows in the trench either, depends on the light source. There is only one shot of a star (Han's surprise attack) and it appeared to be above the Death Star thus the shadows if any would be on the bottom.
Was it ever explained why the rebel pilots entered the trench so far away from the target ?
Orson Welles was once asked "Why didn't Hamlet just kill Claudius when the king was praying in the chapel?", to which Welles answered "because if he did there would be no play".
Was it ever explained why the rebel pilots entered the trench so far away from the target ?
My guess is that it makes them less exposed to all the canon towers spread over the Death Star's surface?
They were sitting ducks exposed above the trench. Not only by cannon fire but by Tie Fighters which probably way outnumbered the Rebel forces 10 to 1.
This is going to sound super geeky, but what I always thought was this... In the trench, the only enemy fire the rebels had to worry about would be coming from far ahead or far behind. The reason being that they knew that the Empire was aware if the trench cannons fired just as the ships passed them--and they missed--the cannons would blow holes on the opposite sides of the trench wall.
Was it ever explained why the rebel pilots entered the trench so far away from the target ?
My guess is that it makes them less exposed to all the canon towers spread over the Death Star's surface?
They were sitting ducks exposed above the trench. Not only by cannon fire but by Tie Fighters which probably way outnumbered the Rebel forces 10 to 1.
This is going to sound super geeky, but what I always thought was this... In the trench, the only enemy fire the rebels had to worry about would be coming from far ahead or far behind. The reason being that they knew that the Empire was aware if the trench cannons fired just as the ships passed them--and they missed--the cannons would blow holes on the opposite sides of the trench wall.
Well in theory there should be no walls, its a trench that goes around the entire circumference of the battle station. Since the battle station is round, the cannon fire would eventually shoot out into space as they fire in a straight line and the trench actually curves. I always thought the trench guns should've been able to take out one or two of the rebel fighters. I guess Stormtroopers were manning the turbo lasers.
