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Much of this SNOW WHITE remake was reshot wen preview audiences protested its original use of multi-racial actors to play the dwarfs. Disney has also been challenged by Ms. Ziegler, herself, who kept making inflammatory comments to the press.
Oh no, multi racial dwarves? Horrors! But I'm sure those audiences were not racist...yeah right.
Ziegler should have kept her comments to herself. She did hurt the movie with her I-am-not-a-helpless female Snow White comments. But I am looking forward to this movie. She was so very good in West Side Story. Those who already hate this movie without seeing it can avoid it.
A mediocre actress opens her big gob every chance she gets, insults her fellow actor, literally calls the Prince a grape-ist and then she is surprised by the blowback. Weird, weird.
This has nothing to do with gender or color or politics. It has to do with the so-called actress being a massive knucklehead, Madam.
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No, shoving wokeness, social justice, agendas, etc., down our throats under the guise of any pretense for a film, is not acceptable, regardless of the outcome. The Nazi's made films, too.
If I want to see a Charlie's Angels film, I expect the leads to be women, not three dudes in dresses identifying as women and one non binary idiot, no matter how well acted.
Reality and legitimacy need to prevail still.
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Yeah, for years and years they have hammered us with one piece of idiocy after another and expect us all to buy it, but when we hold them to it, it's always, "What I meant to say was", "I misspoke", "That's not what I rally meant", and other approaches including cries of racism and insults. She's an American? Yes! Don't say. We've (the general "we") been saying that for a long time, but it was always "Italian-American" this and "African-American" this, like, for example, all dark skinned people come from Africa and that al dark-skinned people in Africa are one homogenous identical people. How insulting and racist is that shit. It was always stupid crap meant to divide fellow Americans and create segregated groups that can be said to targeted by another for this and that reason.
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Oct 30, 2024 - 4:30 PM
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Justin, shoving social justice upon us seems like a good idea. Not having social justice is unacceptable. We need justice, but you can whine away and call it wokeness.
I don't want us to see Denzel play Lincoln. He was a real person and white, not fictional. I don't want to see a woman play James 007 Bond, but would it be so bad if Idris becomes Bond if he is good in the role? With opportunities finally opening for minorities, fictional characters could be played by someone of color. But keep up your hissy fits because movies in this last decade are not always done by white actors.
Henry Brandon played Scarface, the Native American chief, in The Searchers. He was white. We should all thank Costner for Dances With Wolves where he used real Native Americans. Did that ruffle some of your feathers?
Michael Connelly wrote the Bosch and Lincoln Lawyer novels. Yep, they were white. Now Manuel Garcia Rulfo has played the Lincoln Lawyer for 3 seasons, and he is great. Connelly is a producer of that series, so I guess he hasn't had a fit about this lawyer, who is fictional, being Latino.
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"We need justice, but you can whine away and call it wokeness."
Social justice and justice are not the same thing. Trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and lecturing me about it, doesn't make you right.
"I don't want us to see Denzel play Lincoln. He was a real person and white, not fictional. I don't want to see a woman play James 007 Bond, but would it be so bad if Idris becomes Bond if he is good in the role?"
007 is not any one single person, there is no reason why he can't be different each time, and so he has. Your logic makes no sense based upon well over a dozen Bond films. What would be unacceptable is if they suddenly change a James Bond, let's make up a name and say 007's real name is John Smith, and suddenly the same guy is white and then suddenly black. Or the other way around. Or tall and suddenly a dwarf.
"With opportunities finally opening for minorities, fictional characters could be played by someone of color."
Opportunities have always been around. Maybe some of you forget Hollywood, from actors and composers, have come from various countries. They just assumed stage names.
"Henry Brandon played Scarface, the Native American chief, in The Searchers. He was white. We should all thank Costner for Dances With Wolves where he used real Native Americans. Did that ruffle some of your feathers?"
You're deciding to willfully not pay attention at this point.
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Oct 30, 2024 - 4:53 PM
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GoblinScore
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We go to films to be told a good story, not to be preached to. The only message that should be is, be good to each other, treat others kindly.
Entertainment is an absolute disaster right now due to activists flooding every aspect.
Thankfully the 'flush' is almost over.
Thankful most humans seem to agree as project after project tanks, or is cancelled.
Be diverse, great, tell your story well, and stop the closet racism against "The Patriachy". Villanizing any group of people to make your own narcissistic hypocrisy look better is wrong on every side.
Hollywood was built to entertain, actors to read other people's words and not scold the population to 'do better', because all white people automatically hate minorities, minorities automatically despise white privilege, ad nauseum et infinitum.
So sick of all this, culture turning us against each other.
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Justin, shoving social justice upon us seems like a good idea. Not having social justice is unacceptable. We need justice, but you can whine away and call it wokeness.
I don't want us to see Denzel play Lincoln. He was a real person and white, not fictional. I don't want to see a woman play James 007 Bond, but would it be so bad if Idris becomes Bond if he is good in the role? With opportunities finally opening for minorities, fictional characters could be played by someone of color. But keep up your hissy fits because movies in this last decade are not always done by white actors.
Henry Brandon played Scarface, the Native American chief, in The Searchers. He was white. We should all thank Costner for Dances With Wolves where he used real Native Americans. Did that ruffle some of your feathers?
Michael Connelly wrote the Bosch and Lincoln Lawyer novels. Yep, they were white. Now Manuel Garcia Rulfo has played the Lincoln Lawyer for 3 seasons, and he is great. Connelly is a producer of that series, so I guess he hasn't had a fit about this lawyer, who is fictional, being Latino.
With respect and deference, who made you the arbiter of justice, Madam?
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Oct 30, 2024 - 8:49 PM
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joan hue
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We go to films to be told a good story, not to be preached to. The only message that should be is, be good to each other, treat others kindl
GoblinScore, I agree with a lot of what you wrote. Movies that have messages of kindness are great. On the other hand, I think sometimes we do need to be enlightened about certain issues which might seem preachy but still very important.
When AIDS became an issue, movies like The Normal Heart gave us new insights into this epidemic and into the need for help. Movies like the old Gentleman's Agreement to Schindler's List to The Zone of Interest certainly opened our eyes to anti-Semitism which hasn't disappeared. Bombshell educated us about work-place sexism. Movies and a lot of television shows are educating us about sex trafficking and the opioid addictions. We've certainly seen movies about racism. I am okay being aware of and preached to about those vile issues.
One the other hand, I'm looking forward to Gladiator II. I am hoping it will be just a good, entertaining story. I think movies can entertain us with great narrations and some can entertain and enlighten us about serious issues.
I have been silent for quite a while, but here is what is really bothering me. dragon53 gives us great information about movies, and in a short time, the constant NEGATIVITY from a few members bombards dragon's threads. It would be nice to read something positive now and then about "some" of the offerings, not all of them, but some.
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Oct 30, 2024 - 8:52 PM
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GoblinScore
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"Hey, Sean, why DO you attempt to throw your proverbial hat into any ring, especially this one, with an impending padlock?"
"Gee, i dunno, lonely, starved for conversation....or just a moron?"
"Yeah, likely the latter, so here's a big, steaming, piping hot bowl of STFU with extra cheese, as you like it"
"Aw, thanks.....what we were all on about again? The cheese took my mind away from endless blathering....think I'll finesse the delicious cheese with a tasty Elmer Bernstein score".
Heavy Metal (uh oh, containing my FAVORITE Strong Female Character who doesn't spend her run time disembowling or castration every make lead, especially whites!), helps this delicious cheese bowl, digest.
Goodbye ,Cruel World, I'm leaving you today.....
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