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Zap,Zap,Zap.... We know you're straight (with a capitol 'S'). But you didn't really need to say "I'm not interested in the gay question, but..." This, in response TO a gay question. Why would you even click on it?
I don't click on ALL gay threads. Just the really butch ones with taut, jutting buttocks.
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Yes.
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It's been my experience that music in general is a mostly male interest.
I can remember, when Tower Records was still open, noticing that the majority of women that were there were accompanying men, while the men seemed intent on browsing.
Further, with minor exceptions, it's men that have written and played music, almost since time began.
It's an interesting adjunct that, at least in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, it seemed that most men who were interested in film music were gay. (Or show music, but let's leave that for a different discussion!)
There were straight guys that I met that were film music fans back then, most noticeably the often discussed Myron Bronfeld, but they were in what I perceived at the time as a decided minority. In fact, the general assumption at that time was that, if you liked film music, you were probably gay. (Actually, in those days, the word "gay" wasn't used as often as other, descriptive epithets...)
On the other hand, I've been interested to learn over the years that most of film composers, particularly of what is now referred to as "The Golden Age" were straight. The only exception I'm aware of was Lionel Newman, who, reportedly, was gay. But that's the only report I've ever heard about composers from that period.
In recent decades, particularly after AIDS killed off a lot of gay men, I've noticed a, you'll pardon the expression, rise in the numbers of straight guys who enjoy film scores. However, interestingly, they're more interested in action scores than in the romances and dramas which dominated film music in the Golden Age. (At the same time, there has been a distinct decline in film composers writing such scores. Either they're discouraged by directors, or they're just unable. Either case is too bad, because there's a real lack of that kind of score today, not to mention those kinds of films.)
SO, to sum up, it appears music is mostly a guy thing to begin with. And, though there are many gay fans of film music, among whom I definitely count myself, it would appear to me that today's fans of film music are mostly straight men.
As for "coming out," I am one of the few people on this Board who uses his real name, and has a real photo on his profile.
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But years ago a fellow german score collector made his opinion very clear when he said "I always imagined that Jerry Goldsmith only wrote music for real men and since you are gay why do you hear him? Wouldn´t you listen to James Horner or Rachael Portman? They make music for women."
That person you spoke to was homophobic if they're going to pin a specific gender bias to a composer, be it Horner, Portman or Goldsmith. Disgusting and absurd.
That's like saying that the only good German films were made by Leni Riefenstahl, and that all German films should be like Nazi, like hers.
Nothing like absurdist observations.
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Jul 11, 2010 - 9:31 AM
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I'm not gay either, but I've slept with a few guys that probably are.
I didn´t know that one. I definitely have to remember that 
I hate Lady Gaga and Kylie but will download the occasional Madonna.
 I like Madonna very much. I have every album she released so far, even some special editions. I also have two albums from Kylie but none from Lady Gaga. But there is this cliché that gays only hear those three women, alongside some stupid RnB garbage. I´m also listening to Kate Bush, Enigma (ok, I´m dumber than I care to admit ), Björk, Tina Turner, Tori Amos - even Michael Jackson. But mostly scores, classical music and organ music (although I´m not for one second religious).
I don't dress in women's clothes and tend to avoid guys who do and I don't go on or to parades etc
Actually, one can clearly see that I´m gay. I´m not particularly effiminate or a sissy - but one can see it. I don´t even look like the complete nerd I am. When my boyfriend first saw me, he thought that I was too "cool". So he pondered for a few months, thinking about the right sentence to introduce himself. He doesn´t look like he´s unsure, he appears completely masculine, he likes every kind of sport there is, he´s the sort of macho manager - but he isn´t. Looks can be deceiving... oh, off topic. And he hates filmscores. I can´t play one note of Goldsmith or C. Young, he will go mad in an instant. He immediately gets headaches. He finds John Williams ennerving.
This could be a problem for some but actually I like it. It reminds me that there are other things left to be enjoyed.
Hmmmm.....Let's take it a step further........(and I am not being frivolous here, honestly).....are there any AFRO-AMERICAN devotees/collectors here?
Wow, I haven´t thought about that. Interesting question. Anyone?
That person you spoke to was homophobic if they're going to pin a specific gender bias to a composer, be it Horner, Portman or Goldsmith. Disgusting and absurd.
You think so? I don´t mind homophobic people as long as they are behaving friendly. His "problem" was that he was much younger than me when we talked. He also was very unsure about himself. I actually had the arrogance to pity him. BTW, we can extend the homophobic topic even further: this whole thread in itself is homophobic. If we were living in the perfect, free and tolerant world we all dream off I probably wouldn´t have thought about asking the question in the first place.
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Jul 11, 2010 - 10:07 AM
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It's an interesting adjunct that, at least in the 50's, 60's, and 70's, it seemed that most men who were interested in film music were gay. (Or show music, but let's leave that for a different discussion!)
There were straight guys that I met that were film music fans back then, most noticeably the often discussed Myron Bronfeld, but they were in what I perceived at the time as a decided minority. In fact, the general assumption at that time was that, if you liked film music, you were probably gay. (Actually, in those days, the word "gay" wasn't used as often as other, descriptive epithets...)
Really?? I didn´t know that! Fascinating. I can´t even imagine how living was those many years ago. Maybe it´s because we germans were leaving WWII behind us and had other things on our minds. At that time we weren´t supposed to have fun, I think... Who is Myron Bronfeld?
The only exception I'm aware of was Lionel Newman, who, reportedly, was gay.
Lionel Newman was gay? Didn´t know that either.
In recent decades, particularly after AIDS killed off a lot of gay men, I've noticed a, you'll pardon the expression, rise in the numbers of straight guys who enjoy film scores. However, interestingly, they're more interested in action scores than in the romances and dramas which dominated film music in the Golden Age. (At the same time, there has been a distinct decline in film composers writing such scores. Either they're discouraged by directors, or they're just unable. Either case is too bad, because there's a real lack of that kind of score today, not to mention those kinds of films.)
I´m also interested in action scores. I never liked romantic scores that much (but - the older I get the more it changes). Maybe it´s a thing that the younger generation embodies. Maybe it has to do with the re-invention of blockbusters in 1977, I don´t know. But there are still romantic and dramatic movies which are released regularly - and for them music is still written. Admitted, it´s not the same kind of music but I would think that the styles from 40-50 years ago would be considered old fashioned.
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Lionel Newman was gay? Didn´t know that either.
Cyril Mockridge was gay, too.
I'm not gay, but the majority of my friends are, by virtue of the neighborhood I live in; heck, the building I live in has 9 units, 7 of which are occupied by single or partnered gay men. They have a killer gay pride party in the back yard, too...especially if you're into hairy guys and black leather.
Every other score fanatic I've ever run across in real life, including the only one I hang out with on a regular basis, is gay.
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Myron Bronfeld was the straight owner of Economy Foam Center, on the corner of First Avenue and Houston Street, in New York. He sold foam for mattresses and whatnot. It was a very narrow place, and had a steep wooden staircase downstairs, where his assistants would cut foam pieces to order for customers.
Myron was also a devotee of film music. I traded my Miklos Rozsa "Trumpet Fanfares" 10" disk to him for a reel-to-reel copy of the music tracks to BEN-HUR. He usually knew everything there was to know about what was going on in the business, and had a lot of sources for, shall we say, "private recordings," all of which were obtained on reel-to-reel tape.
Myron was straight as the proverbial arrow, married to a Sabra, a lady born in Israel, though he actually named his daughter Liat, because that moment in SOUTH PACIFIC was his favorite film score cue ever written.
I must have been introduced to Myron by another film score fan, Ray Van Orden, back in the late 70's. Then Ray kind of disappeared, and I'd come down to Myron's store, or call him on the phone, just to talk about soundtracks. In those days, there was no internet, and it was actually quite difficult to find anyone even interested in soundtracks. It was that peripheral a preoccupation.
Many's the time Myron and I would leave work around 6, then go to any number of different Chinese places. We loved Chinese food. Myron was a big man, close to 300 lbs. I'd say, and he rarely exercised. This, in fact, probably led to his undoing, as I heard in the late 80's that he'd had first one stroke which crippled him, then another which killed him.
We ended up becoming close friends, and he gave me lots of scores, all on cassette or reel-to-reel. When my wife and I divorced, and I finally came out of the closet, as well as getting clean and sober in AA, I told Myron everything, preparing to be shunned.
But he only smiled, and said, "That's all part of your private life. Now let's talk about soundtracks."
I still miss him.
He would have been so very, very happy to see all the scores that have been released on CD over these many years since then. The Rozsa Box alone would have made him gasp...
It was an odd time to live. Soundtrack lp's could be had at several individual stores in New York. When I moved to Kaua'i in 1987, I learned about mail order houses. And that is how I came into touch with Mr. Craig Spaulding, at Screen Archives Entertainment.
But that, my friends, is another story...
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Jul 11, 2010 - 4:33 PM
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Marlene
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As I read through this, I kept wondering if Marlene was a female or male. The answer came later along WITH a url for dating.
Me thinketh we're being spammed or duped. If not, I apologize.
Yep, I one of the few females on this board, and I love its diversity.
No, it´s no spam or anything else! It also isn´t an invitation for dating or something like that... Shoot, I should have written that more clearly!
John B. Archibald just was talking some very private things and I thought that such rare honesty had to be matched by the original poster (which was me). I´m really very, very sorry for the misunderstanding. 
You are female? Finally! Why, do you think, are there so few women around here? Or for that matter, why are there so few female score collectors?
Are you being serious? There is no such name at that site.
See above. And yes, there is. You just have to be a member of that site to be able to search for that name and subsequently display it - but you´re straight so it would be very... erm... counterproductive for you if you would register there (and I don´t mean this as an insult - I mean why would a straight person register at a primarily gay dating site). This was aimed at people like me who I figured would already be a member there. The point is that I don´t have a facebook profile, or a Twitter account... I´m not really into Web 2.0. So that is the only profile left where one can find things about me if someone is interested. Not that I assume this interests anyone. Just in case...
Ah, I´m getting confused myself. Forget that I even posted it, it complicated things far too much for my taste.
I have to be more careful with this...
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