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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2020 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Why on Earth would they want to come here of all places?

To taunt us!


Also, why would they be so secretive? Why would they need to hide themselves? Any civilisation capable of interstellar travel would be so far beyond us it wouldn't need stealth.


They're awful at hiding from us if you believe all the "evidence" provided by conspiracy theorists.
Which begs the question, why are they so good at not hiding from us?

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2020 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

How would Dick Cavett put it - spot the cat in the hat . . . Spot, the cat in the hat . . . spot the cat, in the hat . . . Spot the cat, in the hat etc, etc, etc.

The dot is Spot, the spotted dog. It has spots and no spots between the dots. Erm . . .

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2020 - 9:16 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

They have a 5000 year contract with Egyptians to maintain the Pyramids.

Also Mars needs women, and they thought they all looked like Lynda Carter.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2020 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Barnstorming. The Amish do it all the time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53627888

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2020 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2020 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Yo, CNN guy, you're the crackpot!

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

My question about alien visitations has always been the same:

Why on Earth would they want to come here of all places?

We think we are SO special! wink


Allow me to conclusively answer.

smile

We humans - specifically the astronomical scientific community - salivate uncontrollably at the thought of returning to a dead rock orbitting Earth, nevermind to the similarly relatively dead barren cold thin atmosphere rock referred to as Mars, 3 months away by perilous Impulse Drive smile thrust.

On Mars, Earth scientists salivate particularly at the prospect of stumbling smile across *fossils* of extinct microbial cellular organisms from 100 million years (?) in the past.

Now... you tell me that the third planet from Sol has MILLIONS of species - flora and fauna - including species as yet undiscovered by the most advanced lifeforms indigenous to that planet, and that explorers would not be interested?!? Preposterous. Of course they would be interested.

We would be, don't you think?

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Why on Earth would they want to come here of all places?

Also, why would they be so secretive? Why would they need to hide themselves? Any civilisation capable of interstellar travel would be so far beyond us it wouldn't need stealth.

Why would they comply with some kind of political / military conspiracy to suppress knowledge of their existence? Why would the military or government want to suppress this knowledge anyway? Are Earth's governments working with the aliens or against them? Have they already been infiltrated? If so, why still hide?

Who knows what goes on in a conspiracy nut's mind?


Role-play.

Pretend you are the United States. You have rivals in the world - you compete with them in a tight balance of global power. You manage, over the course of decades, to amass some degree of useful knowledge about extraterrestrial devices & craft. If you announce such, role-play some more - play the role of a competing nation. What is your reaction? Are you comfortable with a rival nation whom you do not trust to possess advanced technology or profound knowledge? Knowledge you do not possess? Would you not threaten that nation with what you have, however you could, to share that knowledge? And back to the US, how would you respond to such a demand?

If that seems too abstract, simply consider the history of nuclear weapons. Lets role-play again and pretend you are the United States, but that Joseph Stalin had first developed the Bomb. Would you have not done EVERYTHING in your power to acquire that technology as well? As it actually was, Stalin played it cool, but behind the scenes deployed resources to get the Bomb.

Technologies that potentially include fast space travel, anti-gravity propulsion, advanced alloys, advanced computational tech, new energy sources etc. seems to me to fit the nuclear bill. Easily.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Eyewitness reports are notoriously unreliable. A fighter pilot is not an expert in aliens.
A professional can make up a story like any other citizen.


I love this one.

smile

Ummm... who *is* an "expert on aliens"? What would be the pre-requisite to being an expert on aliens? Prior experience with aliens, correct? Therefore, by that logic, by that criteria, no observations, no matter how scientific, can ever be deemed "reliable".

Degrasse Tyson is also not an "expert on aliens"... I do not recall experience studying aliens as part of his resume.

Essentially what you attempt to claim here is that no observation of a phenomena is valid unless you have previous experience observing that very phenomena.

Therefore - for example - observations of heretofore unseen/unmeasured black holes cannot be trusted... unless made by experts on black holes. More pointedly, no new phenomena may be credibly observed because they are new.

That is an impossible criteria.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Further on the subject of fighter pilot observations, backed by their onboard top-tech military hardware...

Fighter pilots may not be "experts on aliens", but they ARE experts on flying craft. They have to be. And they are. You train to make evaluations about craft type, nationality, speed, attitude, and realm of service. They do so so that - for example - they do not mistake a civilian airliner for an enemy aircraft.

To put a point upon it, professional fighter pilots in the US military aren't bunyuks from Podunkville who just had Uncle Henry say, "Hey Billie-Bob... wanna hop up into the sky in that rickety crop-duster of yores so you can get a gander at that bizarre radar contact we have flying at varying altitudes and at incredible speeds?"

Point-on-it second part: They know a Hell of a lot more than you, me, or office/lab-bound scientists about threat identification, aircraft identification, and scrambling to intercept threats. They live it. They actually get up there. They rely on their spatial awareness, reflexes, and onboard instrumentation that has been developed over centuries of WARFARE to do their sworn duties. They have to, because people's lives depend on it.

So yes, I am compelled to trust the combination of their in-person observations and onboard state-of-the-art military technology. And I find the assessment otherwise to be quite UNscientific.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Thanks for the good discussion!

Hopefully! Thanks for that assessment.

smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

If there were aliens that had tech to visit us how long is the distance and time they had to travel? If they can get to us in under ten years why aren't they visiting all the time? If they saw us and it took them over 10,000 years to get here what were their plans? Just from a time and distance point of view it doesn't work for me.

Also those videos were all just easily discounted so there's still no proof.

For me, the exciting stuff is humanity going to Mars with robots and maybe one day in person, and what we are doing in various ways.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

If there were aliens that had tech to visit us how long is the distance and time they had to travel?

You answer your own question by your premise.

"If there were aliens that had tech to visit us..."

... Then they might visit us. The capability presumes the capacity to traverse space in a period of time. Therefore, your puzzlement at distances involved and the time *we* understand it takes for *our* tech to travel such distances is inapplicable, as that capacity is already inherently implied. Right?

If Xebec cannot explain phenomena A, then phenomena A must be invalid.

smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)


Also those videos were all just easily discounted so there's still no proof.



Link please.

Perhaps without anyone knowing, somebody snuck onto a military base and stuck a stick with a ping-pong ball on its tip onto the underbelly of an interceptor nose-cone, and then hacked the onboard tech to focus on that ping-pong ball as if it was a free-flying at-range dynamically maneuvering craft or device.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


Also those videos were all just easily discounted so there's still no proof.



Link please.


I posted the video that debunks the latest UFO videos. They're actually other jets and weather balloons.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Also whats this alien tech the USA is using? Why are we giving SpaceX billions of dollars to fly ppl into space with conventional technology? It took ten years for Americans to get back into LEO and its basically doing it the same way they did 50 years ago.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

If Xebec cannot explain phenomena A, then phenomena A must be invalid. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

A dagger through the heart!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

I think that Anton petrov chap does a video where he talks about us going visiting other planets and the tiny window of existence we would potentially have from finding a civilization to getting there before they disappeared. Thinking about it in reverse it just seems unfeasible anything would get here and just bob about not officially introducing itself And repeatedly crashing. Also what are the amounts of ufos picked up entering the atmosphere? As opposed to spotted hovering overland or buzzing planes. Any? Genuine question.

 
 Posted:   Aug 4, 2020 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Inre the cockpit video, maybe it's a Russian hypersonic missile, but the air force doesn't want to admit the Ruskies are ahead of us.

 
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