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Oct 30, 2024 - 8:58 PM
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GoblinScore
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Postscript to Joan after my depressed post, above.
I respect you, very much.
I hate this argument, Dearly. We've lost the core of Be Kind To One Another.
The woke movement or whatever you want to call it, is based in hate. Yes, it's a new victim, the white male, and yes I feel targeted and despised as such!
It's so easy to create an SW or Marvel show, targeting white males as weak, sleazy or inept, and then be angered when the numbers aren't there. That darn toxic male fan base, why aren't they falling over each other to be torn down by Tatiana Maslany every week, we thought this humbling was what they wanted! Bugger escapism, our toxic white males should feel the truth of how rotten and naughty they've been all these years!
Where's the line form?
I'm so sorry, but I have no privilege, I scrape by week to week and do not need the few escapes I have to tell me I'm bad as I was born (or bored ne with ambient/Zimmer garbage in my other true passion, film scores) or to embrace ideology i feel is misguided because....Because!
And if I hint a whiff of distention, I'm a bigoted racist.
I respect you Joan.
These are very dark and ugly times, now.
A mate once told me, Everything we are collectively doing right now....is how empires have tradionally fallen in the past.
I believe this sincerely.
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Oct 30, 2024 - 9:10 PM
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joan hue
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Postscript to Joan after my depressed post, above.
I respect you, very much.
I hate this argument, Dearly. We've lost the core of Be Kind To One Another.
The woke movement or whatever you want to call it, is based in hate. Yes, it's a new victim, the white male, and yes I feel targeted and despised as such! I'm so sorry, but I have no privilege, I scrape by week to week and do not need the few escapes I have to tell me I'm bad as I was born (or bored ne with ambient/Zimmer garbage in my other true passion, film scores) or to embrace ideology i feel is misguided because....Because!
And if I hint a whiff of distention, I'm a bigoted racist.
I respect you Joan.
These are very dark and ugly times, now.
A mate once told me, Everything we are collectively doing right now....is how empires have tradionally fallen in the past.
I believe this sincerely.
Thanks GoblinScore. I also have profound respect for your posts about music and various topics. I think you are one of the good guys. I too am tired of hearing about white privilege. Neither my husband nor I were born bad because we are white. No one gave us everything. We worked hard for what we have. Woke was a term made by African Americans to give more opportunities to them. Now it is a prerogative term that seems to embrace too many issues. I can't remember ever seeing you post a sexist or racist remark. Just don't get sucked in by some of the constantly disgruntled always pissed off members on this board.
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Oct 30, 2024 - 9:16 PM
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GoblinScore
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Postscript to Joan after my depressed post, above.
I respect you, very much.
I hate this argument, Dearly. We've lost the core of Be Kind To One Another.
The woke movement or whatever you want to call it, is based in hate. Yes, it's a new victim, the white male, and yes I feel targeted and despised as such! I'm so sorry, but I have no privilege, I scrape by week to week and do not need the few escapes I have to tell me I'm bad as I was born (or bored ne with ambient/Zimmer garbage in my other true passion, film scores) or to embrace ideology i feel is misguided because....Because!
And if I hint a whiff of distention, I'm a bigoted racist.
I respect you Joan.
These are very dark and ugly times, now.
A mate once told me, Everything we are collectively doing right now....is how empires have tradionally fallen in the past.
I believe this sincerely.
Thanks GoblinScore. I also have profound respect for your posts about music and various topics. I think you are one of the good guys. I too am tired of hearing about white privilege. Neither my husband nor I were born bad because we are white. No one gave us everything. We worked hard for what we have. Woke was a term made by African Americans to give more opportunities to them. Now it is a prerogative term that seems to embrace too many issues. I can't remember ever seeing you post a sexist or racist remark. Just don't get sucked in by some of the constantly disgruntled always pissed off members on this board.
Heart, respect and sincere thanks Joan, I mean it.
I'm getting older, and find most things upsetting now. This silent divide brewing is so poisonous, I sense it, and it kills my heart.
I just wish we could all collectively say "we're all in this shite together, let's work together and get along".
Wishfulness....
To counter, I just posted love to one of THE Finest, unsung composers ever, Christopher Gordon, take a look!
Thank you again for your kindness and not taking me to task, as this is ground I really don't wish to publicly tread....
-Sean
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After reading through this thread, I just want to say that I think Joan makes some excellent points and I fully agree with her. Thanks so much Joan for saying much of what I was thinking.
It is interesting that when a studio makes a controversial casting decision, everyone seems to want to jump all over the actor who was cast and seems happy to give the studio a pass. Never mind that the studio is calling all the shots, and green lighting remakes and reboots, when they could be green lighting original stories built from the ground up. Although depending on the story, someone will find something to complain about the gender or ethnicity of those cast regardless.
In the case of West Side Story or Snow White, Disney could have cast just about anyone they wanted for the role. They could have gone authentic and cast a Puerto Rican for West Side Story. They could have hired an actress who looks exactly like Snow White does in the animated movie. In both cases, they didn't. Why? They likely cast who they thought was best for the role and who would sell the most tickets. Are they always right? Nope.
With respect to casting based on a character's ethnicity, Hollywood has always played fast and loose with this, and probably always will. For example, if Hollywood wants to cast a character who is from anywhere in Europe, they more often than not cast someone from the U.K. Sometimes the casting choices blow up in their faces, but more often than not the studios cast whoever they want and hope any controversies can get swept under the rug. What was acceptable 20, 40, 60 years ago may now be seen as problematic, much like casting choices made today may look problematic 20, 40, 60 years down the road.
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Sincere I've freaking dived into this, allow me to list a few of my Favorite Strong Female Characters Done Right, to keep the balance:
Ellen Ripley
Elektra
Taarna
Sarah Connor
Sarah (Day of the Dead 85)
Holly Body
Susan Wheeler (Coma)
Laurie Strode
Nancy Thompson
Don't forget...
ANGELAAAAA!!!!!
Hahaha.
But according to Jennifer Laurence - she was the first.
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Sincere I've freaking dived into this, allow me to list a few of my Favorite Strong Female Characters Done Right, to keep the balance:
Ellen Ripley
Elektra
Taarna
Sarah Connor
Sarah (Day of the Dead 85)
Holly Body
Susan Wheeler (Coma)
Laurie Strode
Nancy Thompson
Don't forget...
ANGELAAAAA!!!!!
Hahaha.
But according to Jennifer Laurence - she was the first.
Edith Bunker
Can someone top this one.
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Sincere I've freaking dived into this, allow me to list a few of my Favorite Strong Female Characters Done Right [...]
My own personal list would include the majority of characters played by Joan Crawford, Barbara Stanwyck, Bette Davis, and Rosalind Russell. (Look them up).
Good call. Every contemporary Fnist should look them up. Growing up, i dont recall women being meek helpless creatures. So much revisionism by the ism people.
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I won't attempt to top the lsit, but I can ad strong female leads and strong female co-leads:
Dr. Quinn
"Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman"
Christy
"Christy" (1994 series)
Cagney and Lacey
"Cagney & Lacey"
Scully
"The X-Files"
Charlie's Angels (say what you want to about the show -- probably almost all deserved, but they regular put themselves in bad situations, kicked butt, and saved lives; one was almost blown to bits)
"Charlie's Angels"
Julia Baker
"Julia" (1968)
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