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 Posted:   Dec 18, 2007 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The plastic surgery bit in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER was taken from the novel YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2008 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

It's Been So Long Since We Read 'Em We Forget to Remember BUT Department:

Are the immortal woids, "Bond ... James Bond"



ever actually uttered in the novels?



Inquiring Immortal Secret Agents wanna (Dr.) No ... wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 1, 2008 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)



I am a bit surprised at the regular appearance of racism and homophobia, something I never picked up when I first read them in my early teens. While I can understand that Fleming's viewpoint was a sign of the times for many people, some instances are just not forgivable. One bit of totally unnecessary anti-Jewish description in Thunderball made me wince - unfortunately, it was not just a character's perspective, but seemed to come from Fleming himself.
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Funny, i just listened to a BBC program on ian and it mentioned that Auric Goldfinger was based on an actual jewish architect (with the same surname) and that fleming had a very anti-jewish attiude toward the person.

For me, the only way to enjoy the books and the literary of James Bond, is to see him as not a hero, but a basically unlikeable person.
an anti-hero if you will.

certainly, Fleming created him with many flaws although some of the unsavory aspects, Fleming lionized. These are traits and ideas the reader can accept or reject.

The filmmakers must have recognized this and made an effort to make him more "likeable". The film that came closest to capturing the literary version of Bond was probably DR. nO IN WHICH 007 is a real cad.

I always felt that Moore and to a certain extent Dalton were uneasy with the unpleasant aspects of Bond and this kept their interpretations from being definitive.

Connery and Brosnan are the only actors to embrace the "love 'em and leave 'em", Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

Bruce r. MARSHALL

Enjoy!

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2009 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Did Fleming ever write anything other than Bond books or shortstories?

Chitty Chitty Bang Bang


Also two volumes of travel writing, 'Thrilling Cities' and another non fictional piece, 'The Diamond Smugglers'

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2009 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Okay, I watched Dr. No the other day and decided to resume my Bond reading. I sputtered out the first time in my attempt to read all of the novels, but I've ordered the books I didn't have, so I can actually read them in order now, without skipping over, say, Moonraker.

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2009 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

Okay, I watched Dr. No the other day and decided to resume my Bond reading. I sputtered out the first time in my attempt to read all of the novels, but I've ordered the books I didn't have, so I can actually read them in order now, without skipping over, say, Moonraker.

"Moonraker" is actually one of my favourite (and best) Bond books.
Ironically, the movie version is one of the worst in the series.



 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2009 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I read them all from beginning to end in 10th grade, shortly after DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (the movie) was released. They are great reads! The attention Fleming paid to Bond's tastes in fashion, food and women were obviously his own. Sea Island cotton shirts, scrambled eggs, the cigarettes, and "women with unvarnished fingernails"

Fleming sure could sell the lifestyle, the imagery, and the allure of it all, couldn't he?

I've become smitten with the idea of getting a few Sea Island Cotton shirts, what with the weather here in Florida quite hot now. I'm off to St. Augustine at the end of the month, and it will be a scorcher, so being attired in the smallest possible Bondian way would be nice. I've worn guayaberas for years, but would like to purchase some of these Bond-style shirts. Ian Fleming should've gotten royalties for all he did for these shirts. Don't know if they're are any better than what I already have on my back, but Fleming sure sells the notion in his novels.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2009 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

I'm currently reading "Goldfinger" and it's just amazing how well the book characterization of Goldfinger and Gert Fröbe fit together. I wished the producers had stayed closer to Fleming's novels with the post-"Thunderball" movies as well.

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2009 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'm currently reading "Goldfinger" and it's just amazing how well the book characterization of Goldfinger and Gert Fröbe fit together.

I love that book's opening sentence:

"James Bond, with two double bourbons inside him, sat in the final departure lounge of Miami airport and thought about life and death."

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

In order to get the maximum enjoyment from them,I would advise you to read them in the order that they were published...ie:

CASINO ROYALE
LIVE AND LET DIE
MOONRAKER
DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
DR NO
GOLDFINGER
FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
THUNDERBALL
THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
OCTOPUSSY


In OCTOPUSSY (AND THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS) there is a short story entitled "007 In New York." For publishing continuity, this should be read between YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN; it was originally published in 1964 in the U.S. edition of THRILLING CITIES (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrilling_Cities).

Enjoy!

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2009 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

I read 'em all one after the other in published order, some time around 2000 or 2001 I think. Loved 'em all. Fleming was a gifted writer and had the ability to describe exotic locations like nobody else. You literally feel like you are there! I respect the Bond novels immensely and don't compare them to the films, an entirely different set of entities. The only novel that was a tad dull was LIVE & LET DIE, and that may have been due to some expurgated sections. My understanding is that it was heavily edited because of some racial stereotyping.

I swear I've said this in another thread, but I loved how Fleming always referred to Bond's "comma of hair" over his forehead. I think he mentioned it in nearly every novel.

The set-up for THE SPY WHO LOVED ME was absolutely brilliant. That must have really confused people at the time.

One sequence that is unforgettable to me is the torture scene in CASINO ROYALE. It's gutwrenching, especially when getting to the part about assaulting Bond's privates with a rubber weapon. Yikes.

I really enjoyed the OCTOPUSSY short story, and imagine...there's actually an octopus in it!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2010 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Just found this thread.

I have never read any of the Bond novels, generally because I didn't want them to spoil my visual perceptions of the films.

It sounds like the first 4 films are truer to the novels based on what people are saying.

I'm really only familiar with the Connery-era Bond flicks, so I may be tempted first to read things like "Moonraker" and imagine an alternate universe film with Connery in the role.

As for the anti-semitism someone noted previously, that is something that sadly runs through a lot of British literature for centuries.

People are also saying to read them in order, so I may just start with "Casino Royale" and imagine it with Connery.

Two questions:

1 - What did Ian Fleming think of the films?
2- Anyone ever read the Bond short stories?

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2010 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Just found this thread.

I have never read any of the Bond novels, generally because I didn't want them to spoil my visual perceptions of the films.

It sounds like the first 4 films are truer to the novels based on what people are saying.

I'm really only familiar with the Connery-era Bond flicks, so I may be tempted first to read things like "Moonraker" and imagine an alternate universe film with Connery in the role.

As for the anti-semitism someone noted previously, that is something that sadly runs through a lot of British literature for centuries.

People are also saying to read them in order, so I may just start with "Casino Royale" and imagine it with Connery.

Two questions:

1 - What did Ian Fleming think of the films?
2- Anyone ever read the Bond short stories?


Will JB007 ever die? I doubt it!smile

1. Bear in mind that Mr. Fleming died before Goldfinger was completed. I think that he is reported to have been somewhat displeased at Dr. No - far too frivolous - but since he had spent the last decade trying to bring the character/books to the screen I can only presume that he was happy to see the success.
2. Yes ... 5 stories published under the common title of For Your Eyes Only and three stories (originally two I believe but then expanded) under the common title of Octopussy with a separate (very) short story since published, titled James Bond in New York ... don't get excited!

Fun to read as part of the JB007 saga, most of these stories have taken on a new life with the films. Whether you read or view first it makes no difference: you will see scenes which link back to these short stories, be they outright (e.g. Bond shoots the gun rather than the sniper - whatever, it scared the living daylights out of her) or in reference (e.g. Bond recites his knowledge of Major Smythe) it is good fun to spot the links.

Just don't expect a JB007 story to develop ... the earlier stories were written with the limited TV budgets in mind.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2010 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I recall reading that Fleming at first wasn't too thrilled about the casting of Sean Connery, but then afterward admitted his enjoyment of him in the part, so much so that he even gave Bond a Scottish lineage in some of the later novels.

I've still only read the first two books, but spotting scenes that were used in other movies is fun. Bond using the powder on his briefcase in Dr. No (to see if anybody tries to open it while he's gone) occurs in the novel Casino Royale, and Bond's battle with a goon in the fish warehouse in Licence to Kill (along with Felix Leiter's shark encounter, of course) actually happens in the novel Live and Let Die.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2010 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   mrscott   (Member)

Find his book IF's Thrilling Cities about his travels throughout the world. Published first as magazine articles then compiled into one vol. it is an interesting look at the times and the man. Also does anyone have a clue as to who finished the novel Man With TGG. I believe it was published after his death and did not reflect his writing abilities. Same with E Hemingways Islands in the Stream which seemed to have a change in both style and direction before seeing it's posthumous publication. MWTGG with the song by LULU may also have been her first writing adventure in novels. It certainly couldn't have been IF.

 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2010 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

It may be urban legend, but I recall reading somewhere that Ffleming thought David Niven would have been perfect casting as Bond. (That would be the younger Niven of Charge of The Light Brigade, etc.)

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

Find his book IF's Thrilling Cities about his travels throughout the world. Published first as magazine articles then compiled into one vol. it is an interesting look at the times and the man. Also does anyone have a clue as to who finished the novel Man With TGG. I believe it was published after his death and did not reflect his writing abilities. Same with E Hemingways Islands in the Stream which seemed to have a change in both style and direction before seeing it's posthumous publication. MWTGG with the song by LULU may also have been her first writing adventure in novels. It certainly couldn't have been IF.

Kingsley Amis is said to have finished Man with the Golden Gun. He then went on (under a psuedonym) to do an "authorized" one-off Bond novel himself, Colonel Sun. http://amzn.to/cQj7mC

Another interesting one-off Bond is the "Authorized Biography" by John Pearson. http://amzn.to/8Z1PNc

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

So will these books ruin my perception of Bond via the Connery-era films? I'm really on the fence...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

So will these books ruin my perception of Bond via the Connery-era films? I'm really on the fence...

I don't think the books will ruin your perception of Bond from the Connery films.The books are different to the films and inevitably are a totally different experience.I read the books in the 60s at the same time as I first saw the best of the Bond movies and I enjoyed both.

However, you might find the books a little dated now as I did when revisiting them recently but your perception of the Connery Bond will remain in tact, I'm sure.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2010 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Apples and Oranges Department:



We wholeheartedly concur with Pete’s appraisal. A fully-rounded appreciation can’t be gleaned from either
just the films or purely by the books



but instead hopefully one comes away realizing each may be different



but they’re still incredibly entertaining fruit.



 
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