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Jul 19, 2020 - 10:03 PM
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Rexor
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There are many questions regarding what has happened over the last roughly half-year, that remain hanging in the air in the same proportion as SARS-CoV-2 virus particles.
One of the lingering major questions is "Can you get re-infected?"
Ones would think the virus would have died out if everyone had played their part during lockdown. Where is the virus that is continually infecting people, therefore, coming from?
In my state, we never really had a lockdown. Some places closed down, but, for others it was business as usual. One of my coworkers (from the prior shift) got the virus. I think he went to Las Vegas, during his furlough week, and then he was off for two more weeks due to the company's corona virus policy. The troubling thing is the company does not divulge information. I'm assuming he got the virus during his vacation, and he was cleared to come back to work, but who knows when, how, or if, he got infected. This guy has really poor personal hygiene habits... I'm tempted to reveal a disgusting story, but, instead, I will just write that some folks refuse to play parts.
Refusing to play parts and the numbers game could help explain why the virus has not died out. During the spring, I remember reading an article which reported the incubation period for the virus between 5 and 41 days. For some a 14 day quarantine might not be enough. The same with 6 feet. Also, these cotton mask we are wearing are supposed to reduce (not eliminate) the spread of the corona virus. I thought I read these same mask were ineffective in reducing the spread of rhinoviruses (common cold). I don't see many people wearing eye protection and N-95 mask in public...
-Rex
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Jul 19, 2020 - 10:32 PM
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Xebec
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In Saskatchewan, last Thursday i went out downtown for the first time in 4 months. First time i've been in a building that wasn't a supermarket or food place in all that time. It was very dead. About 30% of people wore masks. But i think some of them had masks, they were just outdoors and away from people.
I walked into the bank wearing my mask, which felt odd, and there was a line, but everyone was observing social distancing and about half the people in there wore masks.
I also went to a comic shop right by my bus stop. They made you put hand sanitizer on and asked you not to be too touchy on the comics, which was fine. Glad they were still open. Easy to social distance in there and i bought some things.
Bus there and back was almost empty; 3 people there 5 back. Only 2 or 3 of us wore masks. My bus book is thePlague by Camus, which i've been trying to finish for about 2 years. I just can't muster the energy to finish it.
We've done really well, the main threat is now out-of-province visitors bringing it in, which i think happened on five flights the others week.
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Jul 20, 2020 - 12:34 AM
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Grecchus
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Refusing to play parts and the numbers game could help explain why the virus has not died out. During the spring, I remember reading an article which reported the incubation period for the virus between 5 and 41 days. For some a 14 day quarantine might not be enough. The same with 6 feet. Also, these cotton mask we are wearing are supposed to reduce (not eliminate) the spread of the corona virus. I thought I read these same mask were ineffective in reducing the spread of rhinoviruses (common cold). I don't see many people wearing eye protection and N-95 mask in public...
-Rex
I remember reading online about the Chinese outbreak in Wuhan either in November or December last year. Even as a lay person watching events from afar, the spectacle of seeing the virus encroaching closer and closer in big, chunky steps was very apparent. In January, I accompanied my mother to London because she attends one of the big specialty hospitals there on a fairly regular basis. I said to her, "look, this thing is very likely to have taken grip in London, are you sure you want to go?" She responded in the affirmative, because I could clearly see what I had said to her went in one ear and straight out the other. We went by train. On reaching the London terminus station the first thing I saw on immediately clearing the ticket barrier was an oriental man wearing a surgical mask tearing a wake close by. I know that oriental people tend to wear face masks in big city environments for reasons of general and specific cases of pollution, but at that time, no one indegenous had a single thought of wearing a mask as a matter of course. In fact, even now, there are people who refuse to wear one on the basis it is an affront to the very notion of personal freedom. Personally, I maintain that personal freedom does not really exist in the world as it stands. Personal responsibility, however, does and it is the nature of this modern day perception of freedom mixed with a 'liberal' sense of responsibility that has led to where we are now, IMHO.
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Jul 20, 2020 - 3:11 AM
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Graham Watt
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Following on from a couple of posts from the last few days (Grecchus' et al), I have a number of observations to make. I posted here months ago, before the first lockdown (in fact, before it had even made the headlines, never mind taking up the entire TV news bulletin every fuckin' day), that a doctor friend of mine had told me that something big was on its way, and to stay at home at all costs.
Then the lockdown came. For months people stayed at home. The number of coronavirus cases fell to a minimum. The economy was by that time dead on its feet. Small businesses were demanding to re-open. The tourist industry was putting the pressure on too. The government had to give in. It began to relax measures. Now the numbers of cases are multiplying again.
I don't think it's that dificult to put two and two together. The lockdown worked. But it didn't make the figures fall to zero because it was never a total lockdown. I remember being rather bemused when reading that we were under "lockdown", but could go to work, go to the chemists, go to the supermarket, go to the the tobacconists, walk the dog... So, unless you had the chance to work from home, you did all of the above things. And chemists, supermarkets and tobacconists don't operate without staff. So "lockdown" is in inverted commas. But it was still sufficiently drastic to affect the number of cases.
After the relaxation measures, a lot of people had the impression that it was "all over". The number of times I heard that expression makes my blood boil. There was suddenly a spate of communion services (one of which I was "forced" to go to), weddings, private parties... with the arrival of the good weather our beaches are packed at night with large groups of youths drinking all night long. The university entrance exams finished. School exams were over. Parties galore, no social distancing, because "it's all over".
I'm not being an old git here and blaming the young people. It must be difficult for them. I mean, I had hormones too when I was that age. I feel sorry for them missing out on a vital part of their lives. The ones that really anger me are the older people who should know better. Allow me to speak ill of my family for a moment. Luckily they are not interested in Film Score Monthly and they don't speak English anyway.
My wife's uncle died last week. He lived about 200 miles away, so a bit of a drive just to express our sympathy to the family through gestures and from a distance of two metres. My wife told her mum that we weren't going, because we knew that nobody would be following the recommendations. Well, that caused a big fight. After the funeral my wife spoke to her mum by phone and asked her (sarcastically) how the social distancing was maintained. She was laughed at.
"Oh we didn't do any of that. This man was your uncle after all. Your sister came up from Madrid with her husband, in fact the whole family was there except for you. Social distancing? Your cousin was very upset, so we all gave her a big hug, crying and hanging onto her before going for a really good slap up meal. I don't understand why you didn't go. I mean, it's family. There's no coronavirus in OUR family."
If there is a God, I shall be struck down by a bolt of lightning for writing the above. But I have my wife's permission. It's fucking madness here. Now there are so many pockets of new outbreaks that each local government has to take the decision of putting entire areas, or just one block of apartments, under total lockdown. As my doctor friend remarked the other day (who was just beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel), "It's like having run a marathon, just reaching the end and being told you have another 42 km to go".
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This, to me, is the most startling finding from this study:
"Remarkably, we detected SARS-CoV-2-specific IFN-? responses in 19 out of 37 SARS-CoV-1/2 unexposed individuals."
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At work, my boss is still rolling her eyes when I ask her to put something on the ground and stepping away, instead of putting it directly in my hand. When she uses anything that others will touch, she, and nobody else either, bothers to wear gloves.
The second-in-command (little more than a parrot on the shoulder of his boss) seems to be Uber-Executive in Charge of Getting Beverages from the Local Coffeeshop. And when he delivers them to staff, he's not wearing a mask, holds the box at arm's length while people, gloveless, lean into him and reach in.
I appear to be the only person who's heard of the concept of "staggered lunch breaks." People regularly sit together, no further apart than ever, and since they're eating, no masks. Nor when they AREN'T eating, either.
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I went to an estate sale. Damned-fool mistake, THAT was.
I thought it was bad dodging the Space Invaders© at the grocery. It got to where I was holding my shoulder bag at arm's length to keep people away. Even then they were rubbing against the bag.
NEVER again, until we've got a vaccine.
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Where in high-holy-heck is Guv'nor Carson? I can't get through a week without my fix! 
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Im still here, DiB. But im avoiding all negative news for my sanity and serenity. No BBC for sure, and very little media beyond the weather forecast. Yeah, it is frustrating when people around you arent taking precautions.
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.Yeah, it is frustrating when people around you arent taking precautions.
Precautions are not always good thing. I mean I wouldn't be here if may parents had taken any! 
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