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 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 10:21 PM   
 By:   scoreaholic   (Member)

If you could start a Kickstarter campaign to have a living composer score a movie that's already come out (old or recent) and you could convince the new composer to do it, what movie and whom?

I've given this a lot of thought. I love the score to Braveheart. It is one of my all-time favorite scores. That being said, I would love to see it rescored by Harry Gregson-Williams. I absolutely love his scores for Kingdom of Heaven and The Last Duel. They are masterpieces, especially KOH.

Could something like this ever be done? I know we've had re-recordings of scores, but (I think) a commission of a new score by a different composer hasn't been done. Let's get a consensus of what score and who to score it and get a Kickstarter going!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

If you could start a Kickstarter campaign to have a living composer score a movie that's already come out (old or recent) and you could convince the new composer to do it, what movie and whom?

Could something like this ever be done? I know we've had re-recordings of scores, but (I think) a commission of a new score by a different composer hasn't been done. Let's get a consensus of what score and who to score it and get a Kickstarter going!


Major Dundee had a new score recorded when it was restored and significantly lengthened.

I've given this a lot of thought. I love the score to Braveheart. It is one of my all-time favorite scores. That being said, I would love to see it rescored by Harry Gregson-Williams. I absolutely love his scores for Kingdom of Heaven and The Last Duel. They are masterpieces, especially KOH.

I respect your love for those films and scores, I truly do, but Kingdom of Heaven seems like an odd one to use as a reason for imagining a rescoring of Braveheart.

Braveheart has a single, coherent (brilliant) score written by one person.

Kingdom of Heaven has a score that has some great original music, but is also cobbled together from licensed temp track cues, including cues directly lifted from a bunch of other films, including:

Hannibal
The Crow
Blade II
The 13th Warrior

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

I’m afraid you lost me when you mentioned you wanted to replace James Horner’s superb score for Braveheart.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   scoreaholic   (Member)

I actually never saw the movie Kingdom of Heaven, but love HGW's OST album to the movie. That and his album to The Last Duel convince me he could do a great score for Braveheart.

BTW: Listening to and loving Horner's Braveheart right now!!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 10:49 PM   
 By:   scoreaholic   (Member)

I don't think that Horner's Braveheart could be replaced (it is awesome!!!), but just think it is the type of period film that HGW is great at scoring!!

BTW: Love his score for The Martian

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

I actually never saw the movie Kingdom of Heaven, but love HGW's OST album to the movie. That and his album to The Last Duel convince me he could do a great score for Braveheart.

BTW: Listening to and loving Horner's Braveheart right now!!


You should check out the actual film Kingdom of Heaven, a lot of the music in the finished film is not by HGW.

I think Horner's epic, sweeping, intensely melodic style was exactly what Braveheart needed. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 11:13 PM   
 By:   scoreaholic   (Member)

I know that Ridley Scott messes with the scores to his movies. He asks for a composer to score his movie then tracks in a lot of music from other movies, sources, etc. Everyone remembers the Alien debacle. I'm talking about taking a composers library of compositions as a whole as a basis for wring a new score to an existing movie. When it comes to Braveheart I meant based on HGW's score to KOH, not the music actually used in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 11:19 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)


Could something like this ever be done?



The late Carl Davis did one or two.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 11:24 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

'Kingdom of Heaven' is a very good film. It's Ridley Scott's best, in my opinion. Just make sure to get the director's cut if you decide to watch it!!!

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 11:31 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

'Kingdom of Heaven' is a medieval film that uses music from the actual Middle Ages. What others also use medieval music? I can't think of any right now...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2023 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Of course new scores for silent films are commissioned all the time, but I know that's not what we're talking about here.

Other threads have discussed all of the new scores that Les Baxter wrote for foreign films acquired for U.S. theatrical distribution by American International Pictures during the 1960s.

New scores have also been written for films for their video releases. Two notable cases are described below.

Several early westerns that John Wayne made and which had fallen into the public domain had their scores replaced by synthesizer scores when the films were released on video. The films were also sometimes (1) edited to less than half of their length, (2) colorized, and/or (3) retitled. These were ways to re-establish copyrights in the films by the video distributor. These films included:

  • Blue Steel (1934) (retitled Bandits of the Badlands]
  • Randy Rides Alone (1934) [retitled The Drifter]
  • The Lawless Frontier (1934)
  • Winds of the Wasteland (1936) [retitled The Stagecoach Race]

    --------------------------------------------

    After Orion Pictures had acquired the film library of American International Pictures in 1982, and began issuing the films on videotape, they decided not to pay royalties for the video rights to the scores of a number of films, many of which had been recorded overseas. They hired American singer-songwriter and music producer Kendall Schmidt to compose and record new synthesizer scores for these films. Among the films that were re-scored for VHS release were:

  • Planet of the Vampires (1965) [Gino Marinuzzi Jr.]
  • War Italian Style (1965) [Piero Umiliani]
  • Witchfinder General, aka The Conqueror Worm (1968) [Paul Ferris]
  • Curse of the Crimson Altar, aka The Crimson Cult (1968) [Peter Knight]
  • Scream and Scream Again (1970) [David Whitaker]
  • The Unholy Rollers (1972) [ Bobby Hart]
  • Slaughter's Big Rip-Off (1973) [James Brown and Fred Wesley]
  • Crime and Passion (1976) [Vangelis]
  • Scorchy (1976) [Igo Kanter]
  • Winterhawk (1976) [Lee Holdridge]

    With the coming of DVDs, Orion (now MGM) thought better of its prior actions, obtained the proper rights, and released the majority of the re-scored films on DVD with their original scores restored.

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     Posted:   Sep 23, 2023 - 12:38 AM   
     By:   chriss   (Member)

    Intrada released Christopher Caliendo's re-scoring of Major Dundee on CD

     
     Posted:   Sep 23, 2023 - 1:36 AM   
     By:   johnbijl   (Member)

    'Kingdom of Heaven' is a medieval film that uses music from the actual Middle Ages. What others also use medieval music? I can't think of any right now...


    Please be kidding. There’s very little medieval in the music for Kingdom of Heaven. Some of the solo instruments or needle drops (and even then it’s centuries off), yes, but not in the rest of the instrumentation, chords or melodies. Actually, non of the ‘medieval’ movies actually have music from the Middle Ages. The only movie that really comes close is Barrington Phelough’s Nostradamus and – even though performed electronically – Horner's Name of the Rose.

     
     Posted:   Sep 23, 2023 - 3:46 AM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    I’d hire JNH, Robert Folk, Joel McNeely or Powell to rescore Dragonslayer.

     
     
     Posted:   Sep 23, 2023 - 4:27 AM   
     By:   JB Fan   (Member)

    If I have enough money, I would hire David Arnold to do proper scores for Skyfall, Spectre and No Time To Die.

     
     Posted:   Sep 23, 2023 - 5:36 AM   
     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

    'Kingdom of Heaven' is a very good film. It's Ridley Scott's best, in my opinion. Just make sure to get the director's cut if you decide to watch it!!!

    It's certainly one of Ridley Scott's best films, along with ALIEN and BLADE RUNNER (which is one of my all time favorite movies, perhaps my all time favorite, so I would say that is Ridley Scott's best).

    When I originally saw KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, I thought it was a pretty good movie, but it was lacking focus (the motivations for some characters were totally fuzzy) and structure. When I then saw the director's cut (which was recommended to me by a colleague), it became a much better movie, more like EL CID, a true Hollywood Epic in the best sense of the word, the type of movie they don't make anymore (all that often). KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is among the best films made in the last 20 years. In the director's cut, that is.

     
     Posted:   Sep 23, 2023 - 5:49 AM   
     By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

    I think it's immoral to mess with artwork that's already been finished (cough, George Lucas, cough). Unless it's a restoration of something that had itself been altered before release. I'd certainly like to see several of the movies with a cut Goldsmith score restored to it's original state, just as an alternate version, not to literally replace the official one. That might depend on the reasons the score got replaced.

    But as for creating new scores, I think the only applicable situation are silent films.

     
     Posted:   Sep 23, 2023 - 7:14 AM   
     By:   Solium   (Member)

    Isn’t adding music to silent films the same as colorizing black and white films? I know some silent films came with live music but most didn’t nor was it intended to have music.

     
     Posted:   Sep 23, 2023 - 7:22 AM   
     By:   johnbijl   (Member)

    Isn’t adding music to silent films the same as colorizing black and white films? I know some silent films came with live music but most didn’t nor was it intended to have music.

    Like which?

     
     Posted:   Sep 23, 2023 - 8:55 AM   
     By:   johnbijl   (Member)

    Could we have a crowd starter to have Robert Folk re-score Ladyhawke? B)

    https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=34448&forumID=1&archive=1&pageID=3&r=432#bottom

     
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