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Don't know about Africa, but I know Jerry had heard North's rejected 2001 Dawn of Man sequence, which was obviously an influence on him for Apes.
All 3 movies are from the same year.
Are you sure that Goldsmith listened to North's score for "2001" and "Africa" before he wrote "Planet of the Apes"?
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No, "Africa" is from '67, the other two are '68.
So, Jerry could have been influencied by it.
Cool!
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Jul 19, 2013 - 3:34 PM
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ToneRow
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Do you think JG heard the Africa score prior to writing Planet of the Apes?
I can say "yes". Not because there's any inside knowledge about this particular subject, but this very same question came into my mind a number of years ago.
So my affirmative refers to the fact that I've thought along these lines myself & not due to any factual biographical information on such.
... and ...
I'd go a bit deeper and suggest that Henry Brant (Alex North's orchestrator) had probably encouraged/inspired North to write music which was more modernistic than what North had written prior to the AFRICA assignment.
[perhaps TheFamousEccles could chime in here and comment (if he wishes)]
As for the chronology, North & Brant travelled to Munich to records AFRICA in April of 1967.
[I understand, too, that whilst there, North met his future wife AnneMarie, who was interpreting between English & German]
The television program was aired during September '67 (& I expect the MGM LP of AFRICA was available by October of that year).
The original PLANET OF THE APES was opened on screen as early as February 8th, 1968.
I don't know the actual dates of the TCF studio recording session for PLANET OF THE APES, but I believe I read somewhere that they were done around December 1967.
So ... it's very possible that Jerry Goldsmith had listened to North's AFRICA prior to his composing for POTA.
Alex North went to England in January of 1968 to record his score for Kubrick's 2001, so the master tapes on Goldsmith's POTA were likely already in the 'can' before North travelled to the Denham Anvil studios.
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The PLANET OF THE APES recording sessions were on December 20th and 21st, 1967 and January 3rd 1968. That's right off the recording session Orchestra Breakdown sheet.
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A Jerry Goldsmith post with no responses!
I did not think this was possible!
It's the implications that are like kryptonite to cult members!
Yes, yes, we get it: you don't care that much for Goldsmith. No need to constantly go around insulting all his fans.
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TallGuy. He's become the flipside of Eastman.
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I'm not sure.
The fact is that when two or more contemporary composers push an envelope and break the SAME set of rules, twist the SAME major/minor clashes, employ dissonance to the SAME extent at the SAME time, then they'll be open to the accusation of 'derivation' and 'influence'. It was what was happening at the time in music generally.
Given that Africa suggests exotic percussion, bass brassy chords and quick descending intervals, maybe (if it can be said without pejorative implications) 'primitive' dissonances, and string rhythms, certain sorts of close harmony etc., and apes on a jungle planet suggest something similar, then two composers of the same era, on the same position on the timeline from romanticism to atonality, using the same sort of cliche for a dramatic context shouldn't seem that odd.
You could as easily say that North was influenced by Barry's 'Zulu' with that use of brass, or whatever. I'm not sure there are that many similarities.
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