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Mar 25, 2014 - 1:58 PM
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Morricone
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http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2014/the-25-greatest-film-composers-in-cinema-history/
As usual I don't get too concerned with petty quibbling about what someone got right or wrong, it is all opinion after all. What I loved about this list is, for once, America isn't the be-all and end-all of the film music universe. The lists I have seen here have been so Hollywood centric that they all seem to be proud of their ignorance of a whole world of film scoring. Yes, Hollywood is the predominant composer source here, as it should be, but there is so much more.
And the thing I really loved about this list is who is Ilayaraja ? Does anybody have some scores they absolutely love by him? At 950 he blows Morricone away with productivity (it makes sense he is from India). I love the idea that after a lifetime of studying film music there are still new worlds to explore.
AND let me give special praise for putting Max Steiner #2. This is from me, who considered Max Steiner the enemy of the people during all my early years. There were so many Max Steiner jokes that I thought he WAS one. Then I realize why. He invented film music. When he started there were only silent film scores. HE had to figure out where to put music in relation to dialogue, or under it. He had to figure out how to best play the orchestra to get the most out the inferior sound systems that were utilized then. And then later what instruments played best under effects. And hence all the other composers then could tell him "that's terrible, this is the way it should be done". I essentially think most film composer's careers came from a dialogue with Max Steiner, right down to Goldsmith saying we have to move away from the sound that came out of the Vienna woods. And this isn't just one of those "let's pay our respects" moments. If he had come along later his voice was distinctive enough to have contrasted with others and would have made a mark of his own. He WAS the first and the sound everybody got tired of because he was all there was! I have to thank William Stromberg and John Morgan for giving me my epiphany that beyond all the tinny sound of those early scores there was this incredibly rich writing. His abilities were always there whether asked to do Korngold (THE ADVENTURES OF DON JUAN) or at the end of his career creating a hit by emulating the sound kids liked (A SUMMER PLACE).
Sure I have my complaints about this list. Joseph Kosma isn't here, but he is never on any list.
Rather let me praise the adventurous spirit of this list that can embrace everybody from Toru Takemitsu to James Horner.
...and now let the cynicism and snarkiness commence.
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thanks for sharing.
anyway nice to know JW is Number 3
frankly, do not care if he is first or last, I love his music and venerate him appropriately
Judy in Tucson
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Mar 25, 2014 - 4:11 PM
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joan hue
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I don't want to be snarky, but...ahh, errr. Glad to see my two favorites, Bernstein and Goldsmith, on the list. However, as I scrolled down from 25 to about number 4, I was sure that numbers 1 and 2 would be Alfred Newman and Miklos Rozsa. They are NO where on this list, so so..sputter, (slap my forehead), so...Guess I'm just speechless.
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Mar 25, 2014 - 5:25 PM
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Morricone
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I don't want to be snarky, but...ahh, errr. Glad to see my two favorites, Bernstein and Goldsmith, on the list. However, as I scrolled down from 25 to about number 4, I was sure that numbers 1 and 2 would be Alfred Newman and Miklos Rozsa. They are NO where on this list, so so..sputter, (slap my forehead), so...Guess I'm just speechless.
Oh definitely Alfred Newman AND Franz Waxman...
...and where the hell is Erich Wolfgang Korngold!
But you see that is not my emphasis here. It is more along the lines of dealing with what IS here.
But, man, the emphasis on this board is what they didn't do, what they left off a CD, how they messed up the EQ and what the hell is it with those liner notes! That I can get a rally on.
Okay nobody here likes this Indian composer, Ilayaraja. I will maybe get some old Takemitsu or Hisaishi out. I will do my own exploring. Thanks.
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I'd put James Newton Howard way before Menken.
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Goldsmith as number 10 is ridiculous also.
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Mar 25, 2014 - 7:32 PM
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Matt S.
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Alan Silvestri? Really? He writes some good scores, is prolific and all, but one of the 25 GREATEST film composers in cinema history? Ahead of Rozsa, A. Newman, Korngold, David Raksin, Alex North? Wow.
Ok, you may hate Forrest Gump, but this guy also composed the memorable score for the Back to the Future trilogy, which is kind of a big deal. He also composed popular superhero movies like Captain America: The First Avenger and Joss Whedon’s The Avengers, so maybe it’s enough to put his name on the list?
Sorry, I don't think that's nearly enough.
Let's be honest; aside from some nice western themes in Part III, Back to the Future was basically the same score performed three times. And if Captain America and The Avengers were so good, why was he was replaced for both sequels by composers who don't appear anywhere on this list?
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Any number of strange inclusions AND exclusions.
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