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As mentioned by MV in another thread, less than 100 copies of this set remain. Get it while you can!
The Paramount Westerns rode outta Intrada & SAE.
Not comin' back in stocks, I reckon ...
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Would love to see another " golden age and/or silver age" box set surprise from Lalaland before the year is out. Two genres that interest me most are film noir and westerns.
Absolutely Cody, I'd buy another La La Land western box set in a flash!
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I hope you guys are right about older Universal scores surviving in the vaults, but can anyone chime in with what the earliest score out of the Universal vaults from one of our specialty labels seems to be? Anything earlier than the early 60s?
Yavar
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I hope you guys are right about older Universal scores surviving in the vaults, but can anyone chime in with what the earliest score out of the Universal vaults from one of our specialty labels seems to be? Anything earlier than the early 60s?
BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN is 1935, so there's nothing to worry about!
Okay -- that was mostly from acetates, but what about two Intradas I didn't buy: Rozsa's FIVE GRAVES TO CAIRO (1943) and BRUTE FORCE (1947)? They were originally Paramount films, but that studio's pre-1948 library is now controlled by Universal. So Universal is still granting labels access to very old material, even if acetate sources are all that survive.
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I hope you guys are right about older Universal scores surviving in the vaults, but can anyone chime in with what the earliest score out of the Universal vaults from one of our specialty labels seems to be? Anything earlier than the early 60s?
BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN is 1935, so there's nothing to worry about!
Okay -- that was mostly from acetates, but what about two Intradas I didn't buy: Rozsa's FIVE GRAVES TO CAIRO (1943) and BRUTE FORCE (1947)? They were originally Paramount films, but that studio's pre-1948 library is now controlled by Universal. So Universal is still granting labels access to very old material, even if acetate sources are all that survive.
Intrada hasn’t done Brute Force as yet (and it’s appearance on their poll for the next Kickstarter recording, if that ever happens with all this mayhem, would seemingly indicate not a whole lot of the tapes survive, if any). You’re probably thinking of Desert Fury, which is actually derived from 35mm magnetic according to the liner notes.
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I hope you guys are right about older Universal scores surviving in the vaults, but can anyone chime in with what the earliest score out of the Universal vaults from one of our specialty labels seems to be? Anything earlier than the early 60s?
BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN is 1935, so there's nothing to worry about!
Okay -- that was mostly from acetates, but what about two Intradas I didn't buy: Rozsa's FIVE GRAVES TO CAIRO (1943) and BRUTE FORCE (1947)? They were originally Paramount films, but that studio's pre-1948 library is now controlled by Universal. So Universal is still granting labels access to very old material, even if acetate sources are all that survive.
Intrada hasn’t done Brute Force as yet (and it’s appearance on their poll for the next Kickstarter recording, if that ever happens with all this mayhem, would seemingly indicate not a whole lot of the tapes survive, if any). You’re probably thinking of Desert Fury, which is actually derived from 35mm magnetic according to the liner notes.
BRUTE FORCE , the film and music elements ,if there are any that survived, have never been in Paramount's jurisdiction. They are strictly Universal.
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Intrada hasn’t done Brute Force as yet .... You’re probably thinking of Desert Fury, which is actually derived from 35mm magnetic according to the liner notes.
Sorry. You're right, I did mean DESERT FURY and not BRUTE FORCE, and simply confused two 1940s Burt Lancaster/Rozsas.
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BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN is 1935, so there's nothing to worry about!
Okay -- that was mostly from acetates
That's a good example, but I think sadly the exception rather than the rule.
what about two Intradas I didn't buy: Rozsa's FIVE GRAVES TO CAIRO (1943) and BRUTE FORCE (1947)? They were originally Paramount films, but that studio's pre-1948 library is now controlled by Universal. So Universal is still granting labels access to very old material, even if acetate sources are all that survive.
Actually if you read the Intrada liner notes you'll learn that Paramount still controlled the music for both of those films. Maybe Universal controlled the films themselves but if so Paramount retained the music rights still. From Intrada's press release for the final release in their Rozsa-at-Paramount series that Lukas Kendall produced for them:
"With this compilation, Intrada “closes the book” on all surviving, Rózsa scores from the Paramount vaults. As with past releases, the audio has been sourced from 35mm magnetic film copies made long ago from the original optical masters"
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=115394
I don't believe Intrada or any other label has released (legally, at least) a score from Rozsa's Universal period...I believe there were some unlicensed LPs produced of a few of these, possibly including Brute Force. But I don't think those ever made it to CD and those LPs may be all that's left of those scores (I would still buy cleaned-up LP transfers of those if a label couldn't find any better sources).
What might have the best chance of surviving in decent sound is Rozsa's 1958 loan-out to Universal from MGM, A Time to Love and a Time to Die. I have long hoped that Intrada might expand the original soundtrack album for that one. But the 40s stuff? Who knows if tapes (or even original acetates) survive. (I very much hope they do, and I'll be there to buy them, day one, even if they sound like Bride of Frankenstein.)
Yavar
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I don't believe Intrada or any other label has released (legally, at least) a score from Rozsa's Universal period...I believe there were some unlicensed LPs produced of a few of these, possibly including Brute Force. But I don't think those ever made it to CD and those LPs may be all that's left of those scores (I would still buy cleaned-up LP transfers of those if a label couldn't find any better sources).
No, there were at least two different boot CDs (one in the US with acceptable sound, one in Germany with terrible and unlistenable filtered sound) many years ago on which you could also find those original tracks from BRUTE FORCE etc. The original source were the acetates owned by Rozsa himself which Tony Thomas had used for his TT-LPs around 1980. I also think that those acetates which have been preserved at the Syracuse University are the only sources available of these scores as last year - when there was that panel discussion about BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN - we learned from Universal´s music publishing director Alexia Baum that probably no soundtracks from the 30s and 40s have survived at the Universal studio at all. And nothing on the BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN CD came from Universal, but mainly from the acetates of the Waxman estate (also housed at the Syracuse University)!
We can only hope that they have at least some scores from the 50s, but not even that is for sure.
What might have the best chance of surviving in decent sound is Rozsa's 1958 loan-out to Universal from MGM, A Time to Love and a Time to Die. I have long hoped that Intrada might expand the original soundtrack album for that one.
The otherwise excellent Masters of Cinema UK Blu-Ray of A TIME TO LOVE AND A TIME TO DIE contains only an isolated music and effects track in mono, but not an isolated score track. So it may be doubtful whether the original tapes of the score still exist.
It could even be that the Decca album master has been destroyed in the Universal fire in 2008.
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What might have the best chance of surviving in decent sound is Rozsa's 1958 loan-out to Universal from MGM, A Time to Love and a Time to Die. I have long hoped that Intrada might expand the original soundtrack album for that one.
The otherwise excellent Masters of Cinema UK Blu-Ray of A TIME TO LOVE AND A TIME TO DIE contains only an isolated music and effects track in mono, but not an isolated score track. So it may be doubtful whether the original tapes of the score still exist.
It could even be that the Decca album master has been destroyed in the Universal fire in 2008.
Not necessarily. Eureka’s U.K. Blu-ray of Journey to the Center of the Earth also included an isolated music and effects track rather than an isolated score track, even though the tapes survive and TT got to include an isolated score track. It’s possible that something similar occurred with A Time to Love and a Time to Die.
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I haven't seen A TIME TO LOVE AND A TIME TO DIE in over 45 years so I don't remember it too well. It has a great Rozsa score. A friend once told me the Decca / Varese LP has MORE music than was in the film. Anyone know about this?
There are about 45 minutes of Rozsa music in the film whereas the Decca/Varese LP had 41 minutes.
However, it is a bit of a complicated story as there is both more and less music in the film than on the LP.
A few of the tracks of the LP - for example the first part of A3 "Homecoming" is missing in the film - do not appear in their complete form and have been cut in the film whereas a few others do (e.g. the penultimate track "A Time to Die" even has a longer beginning in the film than on the LP).
On the other hand, there are some shorter tracks with a duration of a minute or less in the film which cannot be found on the LP. So you can probably say that maybe about 10 additional minutes are in the film which are not on the LP and vice versa.
All in all, I would say about 70% of what you have on the LP can also be heard in the film.
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