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Jan 26, 2020 - 2:28 PM
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Octoberman
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Well, I would raise my hand as one of the most easily triggered along with a few other women and quite a few men at FSM. The Woke and SJW put downs are offensive to some of us.
Don't know how to answer Octoberman's question. Not sure I understand it. However, Ock, I do know that I have always thought of you as one of the nicest gentlemen on this board, and now I fear that in the last year or so, you are being lured to the "Dark side." Hope you will say in Rey and Luke Skywalker's light. 
Thank you for the props, Joan, that's very sweet of you to say.
And you may be right in that there has been a change in the last little while.
What I have been noticing is that some of the members here have become far too quick to leap upon anything that they can label as offensive for its own sake.
When it happens, it invariably takes the form of someone so eager to accuse another of having no tolerance or enlightenment, and that it is somehow their job to enlighten another.
And in their rush to do so, they are showing far more intolerance than the ones they are lecturing to.
It does not help their case that, in addition to the torches and pitchforks that they wield, they cannot verbally communicate in a calm and respectful manner.
F-bombs and insults drop like flies, and it is NEVER the ones who are being accused that do it.
It's almost as though, in their effort to expose the monsters, they themselves become the monsters.
That's not what this place is supposed to be about, but this venue is being co-opted for that agenda.
And the fact that these dust-ups usually occur over silly Star Wars movies makes it all the more absurd.
I get it that these movies are important to a lot of people (on both sides of the aisle, me included), but if someone can't sit back, have a laugh and allow for opposing opinions, then they are the problem--and not quite the solution that they think themselves as being.
So if there has, in fact, been a change at all, it's that I am losing patience with those who would berate me for not thinking like them.
I don't take the insults to heart. I laugh at it.
When someone insults me in pursuit of winning an argument or a debate, they've already lost.
Lastly (and I know I was pretty long-winded here), I do not include you in with who I'm talking about.
We all have our triggers, but I think some of the folks here need to examine what it is exactly that triggers them, and maybe not give in to it so much. Just to say they are triggered isn't enough to justify the attacks I've seen here lately.
(I suspect, though I have no facts to back this up, that the ones squawking the loudest tend to be on the younger side. It's just a feeling. Age+experience=wisdom, and that's what they may be lacking, for the time being at least.)
(Postscript to my little novel here: my comment earlier was in reference to how Marshall was evaporated. I'm not saying that the people who wanted him gone didn't have a point. I just don't think someone's relative worth should be decided by whoever is the most pissed off at any given moment. The Mods are there to weigh the options, not put it to a general vote. But as I've said many times before, it's not my playground and if I don't like it then it's on me to decide to leave.)
Jeez, that was long!
See what happens when you ask me something?
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Jan 26, 2020 - 3:17 PM
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joan hue
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I have no problem with varying opinions on films, Ock. I'm triggered by the SJW comments and the "Woke" comments. Many SJWs are not bad people but just supporters of social justice and as I said, I worry about you being lured to the Dark Side. (Note the Dumbo thread.) Rights for minorities, gays, and women seem to be positive aspects about living in America. But you have the right to your opinion, and I agree that the vehement attacks full of F words don't help. I don't care for Woke comments because too often they are a put down of diversity and women. It is hard to read comments like, "I support women, especially when they are neked."
I usually, but not always, find our younger members not caring for the woke and SJW comments.
A micro example that ought to relax white guys is to note that Charlies Angels bombed and Ford vs Ferrari beat the crap out of Charlies Angels. A macro example is just look at the top 10 richest Americans according to Forbes. I do not think SJWs will harm white male dominance for a long, very long time, so I don't see the harm in minorities or females starting to ask for a little bit larger piece of the American pie.
Oh well, no use in debating this. Minds don't change.
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Jan 27, 2020 - 8:01 AM
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jackfu
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I don’t want to post the reply that gets this thread shut down, nor do I want to beat a dead horse.
But, if I may, I think much of the problem in which we Boomers get so annoyed with some of the "SJW", or "Woke" types if you will, is that we lived during the time of and perhaps experienced or had friends whom did experience the struggles of the civil rights and Women’s lib movements and such and remember vividly folks that had fire hoses trained on them, dogs sicced on them, and so on. At least we saw it on the nightly news and read about it in the newspapers, etc., real-time.
So, when we hear the complaints of younger folks nowadays about oppression and repression they face, it rings a little hollow to us. Not that we’re better than they.
I’m not saying people don’t face obstacles today, but compared to those whom lost their lives or were beaten, oppressed, repressed, jailed, etc., the idea that there are not enough movies created by, starring,- whomever it may be – that such is somehow equivalent to those real-life struggles?
It may be that we get the wrong impression and they’re not really making that comparison, but with some of the more vocal elements it can sure sound like it sometimes and then we old geezers get upset with that.
Okay and “Get off my lawn!”
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Jan 27, 2020 - 9:08 AM
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Solium
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Its called virtue singling and a certain like minded group are being played.
Hang on, what I understood Jack to be saying is that the young, noisy "activists" of today did not go through what we "oldsters" went through, but they are behaving as though they did.
Did I misunderstand?
My response was more directly regarding this quote:
"I’m not saying people don’t face obstacles today, but compared to those whom lost their lives or were beaten, oppressed, repressed, jailed, etc., the idea that there are not enough movies created by, starring,- whomever it may be – that such is somehow equivalent to those real-life struggles?"
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