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 Posted:   Jun 3, 2020 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

That 36 minute LP programme of this score was a marvel of 70s engineering.
The way Goldsmith sliced and diced the various highlights together, turning the 75 minute score into a 36 minute work of art is sheer genius.
Don't get me wrong, the missing near 40 minutes contains some wonderful writing and incorporations of the thematic material, but for my 'on the go' purposes, I will be retaining the original LP programme and creating a bonus section, culled from my highlights of the extra/missing stuff.
I especially love how he distilled the 7-8 minutes of the opening sequence (which contains action music with lots of stops and starts for tension and suspense) into a killer 3'30 Main Title that opens things up with the best of bangs.


Thanks for this, Kev. I've got this on the way from LLL and I may use your post as a roadmap as I whittle.


Same here. Mine is awaiting USPS pick-up, so hopefully I'll have it in the first half of next week. I might have to intermix the two presentations. According to the interview that Thor posted, "Exact Instructions" might be better in its LP version than its new seven-minute "Film Version".

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Max Bellochio   (Member)

I'm am surprised nobody has commented on the MQA listening experience. I am listening to this now in full MQA 24bit/176khz glory. Big improvement over listening to the same CD at 16/44khz. There is some depth and sonic detail/clarity that I can't pick up on quite as clearly as the traditional cd listening experience. All those naysayer articles that I've read out there that stress it's a "lossy" format should just hear it. It sounds wonderful to my ears.

Kudos to LLL for testing this format out on a release that at first glance might raise an odd look, but it works well. It's probably an expensive process to license (I have no idea), but count my vote as a "yay" if it is an added incentive to buy the release.

Ver
MaxB

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

Not having heard any of the other releases for reference (or even having seen the film), I can't comment on how this version improves sound quality but I will say it sounds superior to all of the other scores that I have that were recorded in the same time period. Some of the brass can sound borderline hot but overall it's a very good to great sounding release.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2023 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

We Three Kings of Orient Are brought me this, along with other Goldsmiths... and a Raksin. I would tell you how great the music is, and how it still "works" at 75 minutes, but probably "better" at 35. Give me time.

However, scanning quickly through this old thread, I don't see mention anywhere of the inside sleeve artwork. Was this a Jack Davis cartoon? Originally done for MAD? I have no idea, but it really stood out. At least someone back then knew that the film was really a comedy, and that the La-La Land team have a sense of humour too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2023 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

One thing not in doubt, senor Que , is that it's proper music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2023 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

One thing not in doubt, senor Que , is that it's proper music.l


Thought they were playing this on Classic FM one day over Christmas, turned out it was RVW’s overture “The Wasps”. Hadn’t heard it before. Concert hall music never ceases being surprising.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2023 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

One thing not in doubt, senor Que , is that it's proper music.l


Thought they were playing this on Classic FM one day over Christmas, turned out it was RVW’s overture “The Wasps”. Hadn’t heard it before. Concert hall music never ceases being surprising.


The rest of the wasps suite is worth a listen, if you fancy. You may recognise the piece 'March past of the kitchen utensils'. It was used as theme for farmhouse kitchen in the old days.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2023 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

At least someone back then knew that the film was really a comedy.

Irwin Allen definitely didn't have a sense of humour about it. When the movie bombed and was ridiculed, he famously announced to his staff that anybody mentioning the movie to him again would be fired on the spot.

Allen was supposedly astonished by the success of Star Wars in 1977. He couldn't understand how a movie without a lineup of movie stars could be popular. He thought marketing popular actors was all a movie needed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2023 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)



Allen was supposedly astonished by the success of Star Wars in 1977. He couldn't understand how a movie without a lineup of movie stars could be popular. He thought marketing popular actors was all a movie needed.


Then he really was an idiot IMO. If he fails to see anything given his stubborn "impressions" about how a movie will succeed then I would ask the question if he really did change something during his time or it just - all in all - were the same thing executed differently

I have yet to see an Allen movie so I do not know wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2023 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   funkymonkeyjavajunky   (Member)

At least someone back then knew that the film was really a comedy.

Irwin Allen definitely didn't have a sense of humour about it. When the movie bombed and was ridiculed, he famously announced to his staff that anybody mentioning the movie to him again would be fired on the spot.

Allen was supposedly astonished by the success of Star Wars in 1977. He couldn't understand how a movie without a lineup of movie stars could be popular. He thought marketing popular actors was all a movie needed.


No movie stars? What about Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2023 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)



No movie stars? What about Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness?



Stars for an older generation - not the younger - I don't know them that much

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2023 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Mike Petersen   (Member)


Allen was supposedly astonished by the success of Star Wars in 1977. He couldn't understand how a movie without a lineup of movie stars could be popular. He thought marketing popular actors was all a movie needed.


No movie stars? What about Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness?

Two hardly counts as a "lineup" of movie stars. Not the way Irwin Allen used to do it. "An all-star cast!!" was the big boast back in old Hollywood. Star Wars bucked that trend by serving up three mains who were relative newcomers. That, at the time, was beyond Irwin Allen's style of thinking.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2023 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

No movie stars? What about Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness?

I seriously doubt that Allen had ever heard of them.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2023 - 1:28 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

No movie stars? What about Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness?

I seriously doubt that Allen had ever heard of them.


Well, I am sure he had heard of Alec Guinness, who was one of the most respected actors of his generation. Peter Cushing was less of a "movie star", he was of course a well known genre actor through the many Hammer films.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2023 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

No movie stars? What about Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness?

Brits aren't movie stars, they're thespians.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2023 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Well, I am sure he had heard of Alec Guinness, who was one of the most respected actors of his generation. Peter Cushing was less of a "movie star", he was of course a well known genre actor through the many Hammer films.

I'm suggesting that Allen seemed to live in his own little world, and probably had little interest in any aspect of the industry that didn't involve The Big Bucks. He was a businessman, not an artist. His downfall was when he decided that he could direct. He never gave the directors of The Poseidon Adventure or The Towering Inferno, Ronald Neame and John Guillermin, any credit for their huge success. Allen directed some second unit on both films, and made sure any behind-the-scenes footage only showed that. He then solo directed Beyond the Poseidon Adventure and The Swarm, and the facade was over.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2023 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)



Brits aren't movie stars, they're thespians.


What's their sexuality got to fo with it?

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2023 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)



No movie stars? What about Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness?


No "Hollywood" movie stars. Irwin was all about Hollywood.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2023 - 2:25 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

... scanning quickly through this old thread, I don't see mention anywhere of the inside sleeve artwork. Was this a Jack Davis cartoon? Originally done for MAD? I have no idea, but it really stood out.

Quoting myself here. Well, nobody else does. Anyone know about the origins of the (what looks like) Jack Davis artwork? It was kind of "funny" to see it used in the LLL release.

If anyone's interested - and I'm sure I could count you on the fingers of less than one hand - there's a good-quality upload of the whole film on YouTube. I watched the first half last night. Second half tonight. It's a bit like a dentist's appointment. I have to just get it over with. I was hoping for some real laughs. Perhaps it needed a crate of beer and a bunch of friends in, but it was simply grim. It's not Ed Wood Jr daft, it's just so slow, silly, badly acted (especially by Michael Caine) and misjudged throughout. Looking at the thread "Goldsmith's worst FILMS", I was surprised at how many I found to be fairly acceptable entertainment. Now I think I've found the one title I'd put on that list. It doesn't help that the score is dubbed in at a very low volume, and doesn't even seem to fit at times. But it's still a great set of CDs. If only I could divorce the film from the music. I'm afraid it's too late now.

I never got around to hearing Yavar's podcast. I'm more intrigued now to hear what he and the team have to say. I'll get round to it. But first, after work tonight, it's THE SWARM part two for me. I hope I have time to get to the supermarket for beer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2023 - 2:40 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

BBBbbbbzzzzzz!

 
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