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 Posted:   Aug 21, 2024 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

Universal Music 2024 reissue of the first Godzilla is a but disapponting as it countains dialogues over a couple tracks. Would anyone know if the LP version of King Records was better in term of program ?


Unfortunately, "clean" versions of those cues do not exist, as the dialogue (and crying baby) were evidently recorded simultaneously with the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2024 - 12:25 AM   
 By:   Ifukube   (Member)

Does anyone plan to pick up the Godzilla vs. Megalon & Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex Original Soundtrack CD from Universal Music Japan?

https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UCCS-1386

These were the short films from 2022 and 2023 released via Youtube, and UMJ has just released this soundtrack as part of their 70th Anniversary Godzilla Soundtrack SHM CD Remaster series.

It contains 11 tracks + 3 mono bonus tracks and is a fairly short soundtrack, but it does sound excellent and retains the same exact 70th Anniversary theater-style packaging as the other 2024 Universal Music Japan Godzilla soundtrack CDs.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2024 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Does anyone plan to pick up the Godzilla vs. Megalon & Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex Original Soundtrack CD from Universal Music Japan?

https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UCCS-1386

These were the short films from 2022 and 2023 released via Youtube, and UMJ has just released this soundtrack as part of their 70th Anniversary Godzilla Soundtrack SHM CD Remaster series.

It contains 11 tracks + 3 mono bonus tracks and is a fairly short soundtrack, but it does sound excellent and retains the same exact 70th Anniversary theater-style packaging as the other 2024 Universal Music Japan Godzilla soundtrack CDs.


Thanks…didn’t know this was out. I’ll see if Ark Square gets it.
Happy Halloween folks smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2024 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Ifukube   (Member)

Thanks…didn’t know this was out. I’ll see if Ark Square gets it.
Happy Halloween folks smile


Yep, ARK SQUARE has it as well as CD Japan...

https://arksquare.net/detail.php?cdno=UCCS-1386

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2024 - 2:46 AM   
 By:   MalaStrana   (Member)

Ha, yes, I completely understand, but these two soundtracks from King Records will have their own unique artwork...

I'm digging the designs and retro color scheme.





Does anyone could find the exact content to compare with the Universal Japan releases? I'm very curious if KKvG is mono or stereo (and if stereo, which nix, since Lalaland is different from the Perfect Edition Box).

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2024 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

I've got both releases.

The former sounds exactly like the 6mm tapes themselves (this was the intention of King Records' 2014 LP release), unlike all other previous releases which all had alterations made to the recordings. This is more than welcomed. The contents are similar, but DB-1 M-2 on its own is missing unfortunately. The first track begins with a portion of DB-1 M-2 before switching to DB-1 M-1. However, the final track is the film version of the main title, mixing DB-1 M-2 with DB-1 M-1.

The latter, also hailing from its respective 2014 LP release, was sourced from the four channel cinetape. As with Toho Music's release, all four channels were utilized and mixed down to stereo. Its missing edits of DB-8 M-16 and DB-13 M-28 as well as DB-3 m-6A (a repeated edit of DB-3 M-6 made during the sessions). In addition, all stock music is not included. As with the "Godzilla" '54 release, it's designed to sound like the source itself with no alterations made. So, there is no awful artificial reverb and other modifications this time around, thankfully.

For the mono recording of "King Kong vs. Godzilla", it would be nice if King Records would reissue it in the same fashion as these two, perhaps along with the rest of Ifukube's Godzilla scores. Being able to hear the scores without modifications to the recordings would be a revelation.

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2024 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Here are the English translated track lists for both albums:

Godzilla Original Soundtrack (KIJS 90043)/(KICS 4171)
01. Main Title (M2, M1)
02. Sinking of the Eiko-Maru (M3)
03. Sinking of the Bingo-Maru (M4)
04. Anxiety of Odo Island (M5)
05. Kagura at Odo Island (M6)
06. Storm at Odo Island (M7)
07. Theme of Odo Island (M9)
08. Frigate March I (M11)
09. Horror of the Water Tank (M13)
10. Intercept Godzilla (M16)
11. Godzilla Re-Lands (M14)
12. Godzilla's Fury (MA')
13. Desperate Broadcast (MB)
14. Godzilla to Tokyo Bay (MC)
15. Main Title -Reprise- (M1)
16. Devastation of the Imperial Capital (M19)
17. Oxygen Destroyer (M20)
18. Prayer for Peace (With Dialogue)
19. Frigate March II (M21)
20. Godzilla Under the Sea (M22)
21. Ending (M23)
22. Main Title (With Footsteps and Cries) (M2 + M1)


King Kong vs. Godzilla Original Soundtrack (KIJS 90044)/(KICS 4172)
01. Main Title (M1)
02. World Wonders Series (M2)
03. Glowing Iceberg (M3)
04. Seahawk's Crisis (M4)
05. Seahawk SOS (M5)
06. Faro Island (M6)
07. Natives (M7)
08. Thunder and the Devil (M8)
09. Fumiko's Anxiety (M9)
10. Godzilla Resurrected (M10)
11. Cry of the Devil (M11)
12. Prayer to the Thunder (M12)
13. Demon of the South Seas (M13)/Drums of Battle (M13A)
14. Giant Octopus vs. King Kong (M14)
15. Sleeping Devil (M15)
16. Terror of Godzilla (M16)
17. King Kong's Invulnerability (M17)
18. Operation Burial Preparation (M18)
19. King Kong vs. Godzilla I (M19)
20. Operation One Million Volts Preparation (M20)
21. Operation Burial (M21)
22. Operation Burial Failure (M22)
23. Operation One Million Volts I (M23)
24. Operation One Million Volts II (M24)
25. Kong Appears in Tokyo (M25)
26. Fumiko Rescue Operation I (PS-71)
27. Fumiko Rescue Operation II (M26)
28. King Kong Transport Operation (M27)
29. King Kong to Fuji (M28)
30. Confrontation at Fuji (M29)
31. King Kong Resurrection (M29A)
32. King Kong vs. Godzilla II (M29B)
33. Ending (M30)

 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2024 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Universal Music 2024 reissue of the first Godzilla is a but disapponting as it countains dialogues over a couple tracks. Would anyone know if the LP version of King Records was better in term of program ?


"Godzilla" '54 was simultaneously recorded optically (optically recorded Japanese scores are lost) and on 6mm magnetic tape. The 6mm recording wasn't used during production, with the optical recording being used instead. Unfortunately, some optically recorded cues do not have any known magnetic tape recorded counterparts. These include the second take of Storm at Odo Island (DB-11 M-7-2) and Prayer for Peace (PS).

The first take of Storm at Odo Island (DB-11 M-7) obviously survives on the tapes and was edited with Godzilla Lands (DB-30 M-14=A) to create the cue Shinagawa Chaos (DB-30 M-A) in the film. So, at least the first take was also used in the film in some way.

The optical recording for Prayer for Peace is known to have been deliberately destroyed as it was recorded on nitrate film. This is why the cue had to be lifted of the film's finished audio track in order to be included on the various releases of the score.

In regards to Devastation of the Imperial Capital (DB-46 M-19), it was recorded with the sound of the child crying during the sessions though I've read that there may have been a version without the child crying, but it's clearly lost if there was ever such a version.

Wait a second, haven't I gone through this time and time again on here?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2024 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Roger Moore Hair   (Member)

I have purchased six of these titles and have another three on the way. They sound thus far wonderful! Rich! Robust! Lots of presence and clarity.

Because I have so much Ifukube in my collection on already on vintage vinyl and CD compilations, I went for:

Son of Godzilla
Ebirah, Horror of the Deep
All Monsters Attack
Godzilla vs Hedorah
Godzilla vs Megalon
Godzilla vs MechaGodzilla

These titles have never sounded as good as they do here!

I was so enthralled by these, I have since placed a second order for:

King Kong vs Godzilla
Terror of MechaGodzilla
Return of Godzilla

If you are on the fence, get off the fence. These are great!

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2024 - 4:27 AM   
 By:   increbula   (Member)

Wait a second, haven't I gone through this time and time again on here?

These early scores have a complicated history and non-Japanese fans have limited access to the details. Your posts are always highly informative and most welcome!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2024 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   MalaStrana   (Member)

I've got both releases.

The former sounds exactly like the 6mm tapes themselves (this was the intention of King Records' 2014 LP release), unlike all other previous releases which all had alterations made to the recordings. This is more than welcomed. The contents are similar, but DB-1 M-2 on its own is missing unfortunately. The first track begins with a portion of DB-1 M-2 before switching to DB-1 M-1. However, the final track is the film version of the main title, mixing DB-1 M-2 with DB-1 M-1.

The latter, also hailing from its respective 2014 LP release, was sourced from the four channel cinetape. As with Toho Music's release, all four channels were utilized and mixed down to stereo. Its missing edits of DB-8 M-16 and DB-13 M-28 as well as DB-3 m-6A (a repeated edit of DB-3 M-6 made during the sessions). In addition, all stock music is not included. As with the "Godzilla" '54 release, it's designed to sound like the source itself with no alterations made. So, there is no awful artificial reverb and other modifications this time around, thankfully.

For the mono recording of "King Kong vs. Godzilla", it would be nice if King Records would reissue it in the same fashion as these two, perhaps along with the rest of Ifukube's Godzilla score. Being able to hear the scores without modifications to the recordings would be a revelation.


Many thanks for deep diving into these ! I highly appreciate. Then they are worth releases; I just ordered them after reading your post, along with other albums mentioned here and there (G-1 deluxe, the shorts, the reissues of other Ifukuke scores, etc.).

Been an excellent year for the King smile

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2024 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Wait a second, haven't I gone through this time and time again on here?

These early scores have a complicated history and non-Japanese fans have limited access to the details. Your posts are always highly informative and most welcome!


Hear, hear. Ostinato is a treasured member of the FSM board. A fountain of knowledge he is.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2024 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   MarkS   (Member)

In regards to Devastation of the Imperial Capital (DB-46 M-19), it was recorded with the sound of the child crying during the sessions though I've read that there may have been a version without the child crying, but it's clearly lost if there was ever such a version.

La La Land released the version without the crying on their edition of the score. So I feel the need to cry loudly while listening to it.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2024 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

La La Land released the version without the crying on their edition of the score. So I feel the need to cry loudly while listening to it.

LLL achieved that by removing a good portion of DB-46 M-19 and replacing it with a portion of Godzilla Under the Sea (DB-52 M-22) in order to "remove" the child crying. The end result sounds like what it is, an obvious edit of the two cues and quite frankly falls flat. A true version of the cue without the crying no longer exists or possibly never existed to begin with. With the optical recordings lost and such a version not found on both the Original and Secondary sets of tapes, we'll probably never know.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2024 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

La La Land released the version without the crying on their edition of the score. So I feel the need to cry loudly while listening to it.

LLL achieved that by removing a good portion of DB-46 M-19 and replacing it with a portion of Godzilla Under the Sea (DB-52 M-22) in order to "remove" the child crying. The end result sounds like what it is, an obvious edit of the two cues and quite frankly falls flat. A true version of the cue without the crying no longer exists or possibly never existed to begin with. With the optical recordings lost and such a version not found on both the Original and Secondary sets of tapes, we'll probably never know.



As it is, it's better than nothing.
I would rather have it than not have it.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2024 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   MarkS   (Member)

La La Land released the version without the crying on their edition of the score. So I feel the need to cry loudly while listening to it.

LLL achieved that by removing a good portion of DB-46 M-19 and replacing it with a portion of Godzilla Under the Sea (DB-52 M-22) in order to "remove" the child crying. The end result sounds like what it is, an obvious edit of the two cues and quite frankly falls flat. A true version of the cue without the crying no longer exists or possibly never existed to begin with. With the optical recordings lost and such a version not found on both the Original and Secondary sets of tapes, we'll probably never know.



As it is, it's better than nothing.
I would rather have it than not have it.


That's pretty much how I feel about it. As long as that kid is gone, I don't care how they did it.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2024 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

I'm perfectly fine with both, though I prefer it with the child crying as that's the way the cue was recorded. On the other hand, the LLL edit certainly gives me an idea on how the cue would have sounded like without the child crying.

By the way, the cue sheets for both the Original and Secondary reels mention the sound effect. Speaking of the cue sheets, three cues were scratched out and weren't recorded. The first is DB-17 M-10. This could have been the unrecorded "No. 10" from Ifukube's manuscript. It's a shame he didn't record it, as it's absolutely brilliant. The second is DB-13 M-8, which includes a note saying to use DB-20 M-11 instead. The third is DB-31 M-15 and the notes say to use DB-14A M-A'.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2024 - 8:27 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I'm perfectly fine with both, though I prefer it with the child crying as that's the way the cue was recorded. On the other hand, the LLL edit certainly gives me an idea on how the cue would have sounded like without the child crying.


The child was present with the orchestra during the recording?

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2024 - 8:48 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

The child was present with the orchestra during the recording?

They played back the audio of her crying during the recording of the cue. Either that, or it was overlayed after it was recorded.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2024 - 3:22 AM   
 By:   Ifukube   (Member)

I've got both releases.

The former sounds exactly like the 6mm tapes themselves (this was the intention of King Records' 2014 LP release), unlike all other previous releases which all had alterations made to the recordings. This is more than welcomed. The contents are similar, but DB-1 M-2 on its own is missing unfortunately. The first track begins with a portion of DB-1 M-2 before switching to DB-1 M-1. However, the final track is the film version of the main title, mixing DB-1 M-2 with DB-1 M-1.

The latter, also hailing from its respective 2014 LP release, was sourced from the four channel cinetape. As with Toho Music's release, all four channels were utilized and mixed down to stereo. Its missing edits of DB-8 M-16 and DB-13 M-28 as well as DB-3 m-6A (a repeated edit of DB-3 M-6 made during the sessions). In addition, all stock music is not included. As with the "Godzilla" '54 release, it's designed to sound like the source itself with no alterations made. So, there is no awful artificial reverb and other modifications this time around, thankfully.

For the mono recording of "King Kong vs. Godzilla", it would be nice if King Records would reissue it in the same fashion as these two, perhaps along with the rest of Ifukube's Godzilla scores. Being able to hear the scores without modifications to the recordings would be a revelation.


Thanks for posting this information, I don't have the 2014 King Records LPs, but it's nice to know that these special CD versions sound very similar. I also have both CDs as well, but I do have a slight issue with the overall sound quality of the new King Kong vs. Godzilla stereo CD.

I know that the "vocals" tend to get lost within the stereo version "Main Title" (they are much more noticeable in the mono Main Title), but on this King Records CD the vocals are truly buried extremely deep in the mix. Also, and I'm not exactly sure what the story is regarding the mastering, but overall, the audio quality is a little bit muddy in the midrange, and a little more high end would be welcome as well.

At least the 2024 King Kong vs. Godzilla mono CD from Universal Music Japan has a lot of clarity and high end on their CD, so strictly from a listening perspective, these two King Kong vs. Godzilla CDs sound completely night and day.

I haven't heard the 2004 King Kong vs. Godzilla Toho Music stereo CD in ages, but from memory, I think it sounded better, but I'll have to do an A/B comparison between both CDs soon to see if that's the case or not.

 
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