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 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

Barely moved 1000 units after 3 years. Sad, but true

I just can't believe this!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   ShadowStar   (Member)

So sad to hear that about the sales figures for Justice League and Superman. Both releases were - and are - fantastic. I'm going to keep nagging friends to get them.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

If you have a title people want they will buy it. If the economy is so awful how come our 4th quarter sales were the best we have posted in our 15 year history? Reason: Titles people wanted.

True. But in defense of solium, my abstract red-and-gold shaped internet friend, these things are not mutually exclusive. If people were more comfortable, financially, they might be more willing to take more chances.

Though as I said earlier, I'm sure there's not just one factor.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

But I would also say that even for people to whom spending money is infinite, time is not. How many four-CD sets can people reasonably take the time to actually enjoy (rather than simply own)? And for shows and movies they've never seen?

What Schiffy says here hit me especially with the first X-Files set and the Mission Impossible Box. It took me years to get through the X-Files, and some of it was a real chore. Not criticizing the music, it just didn't mean much to me and found it less enjoyable than I expected. And I have only listened to about 30% of the IMF box, though I thought I would eat it up. I expect to keep plugging away at it, but it's kind of daunting and I don't make the time for it.

In these two cases, these were shows where I had seen a fair number of episodes, liked but didn't love them, and thought the music would be a sweet spot for me and keep me listening. And it hasn't happened.

I am now very wary about investing in any box set that I haven't wanted my whole life (like The Man From U.N.C.L.E. or the Star Trek sets up through Voyager). So even if it's not primarily a cost issue (though I wish I had the funds to spend two or three times what I do on soundtracks), it is: "am I gonna make time for this? Probably not, so why buy it?"

I'm just sorry that turned out to be true with the subjects of this thread. But grateful LLL took a chance time and again on them. I wish I could have more, but I'm satisfied with what I do have.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

I guess its obvious that although companys like Lalaland are passionate about their products, its still a business. There doesn't seem to be many guarantees in producing a title even from the fan base of a board like this.
I remember over the years many folk often saying how much they wanted to see LESS THAN ZERO come out. I was ecstatic when MV released it but it seems that sales haven't been great. Im sure thats a familiar story in many titles we all harp on about.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I would add that we already have an example of what works:

LLL's TNG Vol. 1 set sold very poorly; MV made multiple comments about it and how further volumes were very unlikely. Then a couple years after it came out, somehow its sales picked up and we ended up with a 3 disc Vol. 2 set! That tells me that it's definitely not too late for Superman Vol. 2, IF people who have been procrastinating it finally pick it up.

I too am shocked that it's only moved about 1000 copies. To be honest, I'm a little less shocked about Justice League only moving 500, because it lacked an orchestra due to budget. A lot of people (like me) are turned off by the use of samples instead of live orchestra, even if the composition itself is good.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

If you have a title people want they will buy it. If the economy is so awful how come our 4th quarter sales were the best we have posted in our 15 year history? Reason: Titles people wanted.

True. But in defense of solium, my abstract red-and-gold shaped internet friend, these things are not mutually exclusive. If people were more comfortable, financially, they might be more willing to take more chances.


Exactly, further more increased purchases on certain titles is not indicative of the U.S. economy, and it doesn't reflect is the buyer made a financially sound purchase.


I'm dumbfounded Sups sold so few copies. What the hell happened to all the "Batman: The Animated Series" score fans? It's the same composers (though less of them), uses real orchestra (with some light synth touches here and there), and it's quality music. It's ome of televisions finest modern scoring. Are they even sampling it? What's going here.


Anybody on the fence, I wrote a review to try and hook more people in:
http://maintitles.net/reviews/superman-the-animated-series/

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I'm dumbfounded Sups sold so few copies. What the hell happened to all the "Batman: The Animated Series" score fans? It's the same composers (though less of them), uses real orchestra (with some light synth touches here and there), and it's quality music.

I think as score fans who crave credibility, we like to believe that it's all about the music. Sometimes, it is. But more often, I think an emotional connection to the project is more crucial. And I don't think "Superman: The Animated Series" ever pushed through the way "Batman" did.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I could buy that more easily if it had been one volume, but over four volumes with higher price tags, I just don't think nostalgia drove it.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 7:59 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Not nostalgia alone, but more likely nostalgia combined with continued enthusiasm and appreciation for a project so masterfully done, it continues to stand as definitive for many. Not only did other 90s superhero shows not achieve that, but few animated shows of any kind have ever achieved that. Comparing it to Superman is almost unfair.

That said, I'm not surprised it's done so well and I'm disappointed STAS couldn't have done better.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 8:08 PM   
 By:   riddler2015   (Member)

MV,

What if La La Land Records created some sort of a Kickstarter or Indiegogo campaign for future DCAU releases? With that, there is a guaranteed monetary commitment as well as something fans like myself can easily share on social media with prospective customers.

 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I could buy that more easily if it had been one volume, but over four volumes with higher price tags, I just don't think nostalgia drove it.

As Traveling Matt suggested, you misunderstood my point. I wasn't suggesting the appeal was purely nostalgia, but rather that people had seen the show, knew the music's quality, and responded by buying. I mean, it's not like every John Williams score sells as well as "Star Wars." People may recognize his name and think "I bet 'Monsignor' is pretty good," but they don't know it, and they know they like "Star Wars."

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 27, 2017 - 8:36 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

Happy to be 1 of the 1k who picked up Superman and 1 of the 500 who picked up Justice league. IT's surprrising that Superman didn't do better. Frankly, I thought that set was better than some of the Batman sets.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

I say this over and over again. I think it's the economy not a lack of interest. People just can't afford to buy as many soundtracks as they used to. Much less take a chance on a score they never heard before. I would love to see more animated scores and hopefully things will change in the future where that can happen.

If you have a title people want they will buy it. If the economy is so awful how come our 4th quarter sales were the best we have posted in our 15 year history? Reason: Titles people wanted.

No one loves releasing the DC Animated titles as much as I do, but when we can't even move 500 units of Justice League TAS, then its not the economy, it's the customer base. They simply didn't want it.

MV


Hey MV

Just speaking from my lonely little corner in Australia (I know...not representing the market) I just want you to know that I am saving up for Superman: TAS and Justice League. Unfortunately, I don't have the disposable income that I used to. I have been hoping that they don't go out of print.

So, for me...this really is an economical decision.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Sorry to hear no Justice League Unlimited. That woukd have been something truly wonderful.

Would an all digital release save some costs. Dont know how do limited edition on iTunes though.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

The only thought I had about the sets was that the Batman soundtracks initial release was a 2CD set, making it more accessible price wise, also giving fans a chance to sink their teeth into the music and build up a desire for more.

Not sure if Superman and JL would have done better starting as 2 CD sets and then jumping into larger sets.

I know that Superman TAS has nowhere near the fan base compared to Batman TAS though.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

The only thought I had about the sets was that the Batman soundtracks initial release was a 2CD set, making it more accessible price wise, also giving fans a chance to sink their teeth into the music and build up a desire for more.

Not sure if Superman and JL would have done better starting as 2 CD sets and then jumping into larger sets.

I know that Superman TAS has nowhere near the fan base compared to Batman TAS though.


There is a law of diminishing returns. Volume one will always do better than Volume 2 and so on and so forth. Doing TV shows is massively expensive. You want to make back as much money as you possibly can with the first volume so you might as well try to release something a bit more elaborate. Batman volume 1 2 cd set was an interesting case because that's all that warner would allow us to do at the time. It took us years to to convince them to let us produce additional volumes due to changes in the legal department.

You people still do not get it. Batman the Animated Series is beloved by many more people than Superman or Justice League or Teen Titans. Batman the character outsells every other comic book character, with maybe the exception of Spider-Man, 2 to 1 in any product line.

The only possible way of doing another volume of Superman is to release it at a very limited edition of let's say 500 units and charge a premium for a multiple disc set that would complete the series but even then that's risky.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Here's a good article to demonstrate MV's point. https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/272554

Here are the two key paragraphs:

The winner is clear. Batman beats the Man of Steel (sorry, Superman) in licensing fees for global retail sales in merchandise at $494 million vs. the son of Krypton's $277 million, according to The Licensing Letter.

Don’t be too bummed, Superman loyalists. In the race for global retail sales, it’s Marvel Comics’ Spider-Man who crushes all others with a swinging $1.3 billion in annual licensing fees. In case you're wondering, Marvel’s The Avengers franchise earns $325 million.

 
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