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Oct 8, 2021 - 7:39 AM
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Solium
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Wow. This is the most "Trek" sounding soundtrack since The Orville (or Star Trek Enterprise)... I like it. I really like it. The order of the tracks is totally random, needs a lot of re-shuffling to create a good flow. My favorites so far:
-Main / End Titles
-Leg Day
-City Escape
-What Are Your Orders, Captain?
-Saying Goodbye
-The Cerritos
-The Real Mariner
But I don't think that I give this show another try... I just don't like animations, especially in Trek. In fact, since Enterprise's bad finale "These Are The Voyages..." I disliked every new Star Trek. It just don't work for me anymore... Every show now tries to be anything excluding Star Trek:
JJ Films: Space action instead of opera
Discovery: Game of Thrones in space (Discovery has about the same quality writing like GoT S7 & 8)
Picard: X-Men's "Logan", but stretched over 10 episodes (wtf is this show?)
Lower Decks: Simpsons / Family Guy (I don't like animations and I dislike them even more if they have Star Trek in their name)
It just don't work for me that these shows co-exist in the same universe with TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT. My Star Trek canon ends just before ENT's last episode because for me fan fiction level of bad writing, f-bombs, sex, unlikeable characters, violence, too many lense-flares & animations don't belong into this franchise.
Alex Kurtzman should try something new: Making a ST show, that feels like a ST show. I would watch it.
In fact, the only show that captures the 90' Star Trek feeling is The Orville (not completely but compared to DIS, PIC & LD it's by far the closest IMHO).
Bingo! Perfectly stated. Took the words right out of my mouth.
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JJ Films: Space action instead of opera
Discovery: Game of Thrones in space (Discovery has about the same quality writing like GoT S7 & 8)
Picard: X-Men's "Logan", but stretched over 10 episodes (wtf is this show?)
Lower Decks: Simpsons / Family Guy (I don't like animations and I dislike them even more if they have Star Trek in their name)
Here's the thing: your first three show complaints here (whether one agrees with them or not) are about *content* while your issues with Lower Decks seem entirely based on form: you don't like animation. Well, okay, but that doesn't mean that Lower Decks = The Simpsons or Family Guy. You haven't seen it, so you obviously don't realize that it actually does end up embodying most of the things that made Star Trek great in his heyday, and it is very very different from the other three things you griped about.
It just don't work for me that these shows co-exist in the same universe with TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT. My Star Trek canon ends just before ENT's last episode because for me fan fiction level of bad writing, f-bombs, sex, unlikeable characters, violence, too many lense-flares & animations don't belong into this franchise.
Sex and violence has always been in Star Trek; it's a question of degree. Lower Decks has the right degree, and furthermore has likable characters, good writing, and a true love and understanding of pre-Kurtzman Star Trek.  But hey, it's animated, so I guess you'll ignore all the rest of it?
Alex Kurtzman should try something new: Making a ST show, that feels like a ST show. I would watch it.
Maybe Kurtzman just isn't the right person to be making Star Trek! And luckily, he has had very little input into Lower Decks.
In fact, the only show that captures the 90' Star Trek feeling is The Orville (not completely but compared to DIS, PIC & LD it's by far the closest IMHO).
I love The Orville too and agree with you about its loving homage to 80s-90s Trek... but the thing is, if you can get over the animation, Lower Decks does something very similar. Try to look past your superficial dislike of the form (animation) and I think you'd really get into the Trek content by the end of the season, and realize it's absolutely nothing like Discovery, Picard, or the Abramsverse.
Yavar
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I have no interest in the show, but I'll sample the score just out of curiosity.
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There is some meaty writing in this. Seems very much from the 80s school of scoring which is still better than modern scoring for pure listening enjoyment. Nicely written and orchestrated.
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Oct 8, 2021 - 3:52 PM
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JThree
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It just don't work for me that these shows co-exist in the same universe with TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT. My Star Trek canon ends just before ENT's last episode because for me fan fiction level of bad writing, f-bombs, sex, unlikeable characters, violence, too many lense-flares & animations don't belong into this franchise.
Alex Kurtzman should try something new: Making a ST show, that feels like a ST show. I would watch it.
t IMHO).
I feel the same about the f-bombs and certain scenes. We may be in the minority. But a great many children will watch the animation (regardless if it's meant for adult) and I've felt Star Trek should be a treasure trove for ideas, not other stuff.
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It's a nice theme, but I can't shake "Soarin' Over California," which is its obvious inspiration. There are worse things to be inspired by, of course!
I thought the theme is a bit like the Orville. Probably because of the I to minor V chord which both use
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It may surprise some here but I agree the album is somewhat disappointing (though I’m still very grateful to have it). I suspect this mostly stems from the fact that cues (from both seasons of the show!) are totally jumbled together with no apparent rhyme or reason — but presumably with “listening experience” in mind. Well, in terms of MY listening experience, it sucks. There is no musical development one can latch onto, no dramatic build or sense of story. And since this is not “absolute music” by any means, IMO it NEEDS that story/dramatic build/thematic development to function well as a listening experience.
I’m pretty sure I remember it having some, in show context, which I admired. But on album all of that is lost. It’s as if you’re listening to a film music album on Spotify without realizing “shuffle” is on…only there’s no way to easily fix it (has anyone here attempted to put together a chronological playlist?)
The wonderful Orville scores were lucky enough to get chronological (though alas not complete) releases from LLL. I can only imagine what people’s reaction to those scores would have been if they had been similarly all jumbled up.
Yavar
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Jan 24, 2022 - 6:52 AM
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DaveM
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JJ Films: Space action instead of opera
Discovery: Game of Thrones in space (Discovery has about the same quality writing like GoT S7 & 8)
Picard: X-Men's "Logan", but stretched over 10 episodes (wtf is this show?)
Lower Decks: Simpsons / Family Guy (I don't like animations and I dislike them even more if they have Star Trek in their name)
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Here's the thing: your first three show complaints here (whether one agrees with them or not) are about *content* while your issues with Lower Decks seem entirely based on form: you don't like animation. Well, okay, but that doesn't mean that Lower Decks = The Simpsons or Family Guy. You haven't seen it, so you obviously don't realize that it actually does end up embodying most of the things that made Star Trek great in his heyday, and it is very very different from the other three things you griped about.
It just don't work for me that these shows co-exist in the same universe with TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT. My Star Trek canon ends just before ENT's last episode because for me fan fiction level of bad writing, f-bombs, sex, unlikeable characters, violence, too many lense-flares & animations don't belong into this franchise.
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Sex and violence has always been in Star Trek; it's a question of degree. Lower Decks has the right degree, and furthermore has likable characters, good writing, and a true love and understanding of pre-Kurtzman Star Trek. But hey, it's animated, so I guess you'll ignore all the rest of it?
Alex Kurtzman should try something new: Making a ST show, that feels like a ST show. I would watch it.
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Maybe Kurtzman just isn't the right person to be making Star Trek! And luckily, he has had very little input into Lower Decks.
In fact, the only show that captures the 90' Star Trek feeling is The Orville (not completely but compared to DIS, PIC & LD it's by far the closest IMHO).
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I love The Orville too and agree with you about its loving homage to 80s-90s Trek... but the thing is, if you can get over the animation, Lower Decks does something very similar. Try to look past your superficial dislike of the form (animation) and I think you'd really get into the Trek content by the end of the season, and realize it's absolutely nothing like Discovery, Picard, or the Abramsverse.
Yavar
sorry for the late reply Yavar, but better late than never.
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Well... yes. But the thing also is: With animation comes a lot of stylistic and characteristic things I don't like. It's the complete package of asthetic, writing, characterization that changes too much between animation and life-action. And for me, these changes not work in the Trek universe. Maybe LD is a really good show, but I couldn't watch it as a Star Trek show (I tried it with Discovery S1 and it hardly worked).
So yes, my criticism was only the style because the plot was so bland that I forgot everything except the following.
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I only watched the first episode of LD when it premiered. This was 1 1/2 years ago. All I remember was a Bat'leth in the leg just before the Intro, too cartoonish and unlikable characters (the green lady was ok but the Captain's daughter and the protagonist not so). I forgot all of the other characters.
I think our "degree of violence" depart here. I think the Bat'leth was too much and really unnecessary.
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Agreed. And I quite (well.. not really..) looking forward to Strange New Worlds. But hey it's not showrunned by Kurtzman. It's Akiva Goldsman! That guy who gifted us with this pleasure: Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin
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I'll try to overcome my dislike if you recommend me two or three Episodes for me to watch. I admit that judging a Star Trek show by its Pilot Episode is somewhat unfair. Now that I'm thinking about it, only Enterprise had a strong Pilot. Voyager and DS9 were ok if not too long. TNG's Pilot is rather bad.
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