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But it doesn't make you guilty either.
Wow.
But in this case, hasn't he admitted to it publically? Didn't he write about it in a book as well?
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If a composer/actor/director I really liked and admired was linked to/accused of sordid sexual goings on and a lot of the smoke indicated some serious fires, I would be gutted, but wouldn't act as an apologist on their behalf, no matter how much it affected my thoughts/feelings about their work.
This little paedo groomed his teenage step-daughter, who knows from what age?.. and started a relationship with her from when she was in high school.
The accusations about his obsessions over the other/even younger step daughter aren't that much of a stretch, given his previous behaviour. The guy is a complete toad (no offence to all the decent, non-paedo toads in the world).
I guess we'll have to stay on our respective sides of the fence regarding Allen, Mr Phelps.
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Mar 8, 2020 - 12:04 AM
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There was a program on TV the other week about people that still believe, in spite of all evidence put before them, that the earth is flat. 'Flat-earthers' they are called. Which leads us to Woody Allen. Investigated and cleared twice of any wrongdoing. Passed a lie detector test. Investigated again in 93 by the Child sexual abuse clinic who concluded, after extensive interviews with the children, that no sexual abuse had taken place. And yet you still have people who want to believe he is guilty. Although innocent in law he has been found guilty in the court of public opinion, a court egged on by the metoo movement, with a lynch mob mentality, a court that, like the Flat earthers, does not look at the evidence but makes up its mind based on gut instinct or on newspaper headlines, or because maybe he looks a bit creepy. Maybe it is the 'no smoke without fire syndrome too..... A syndrome that has utterly ruined the lives of many people falsely accused.
There was an interesting article in The Guardian yesterday about the censorship of Woody Allen's memoirs by Hachette. I have put the link below. When someone is found guilty of a crime they are punished, but is an utter disgrace that when people like Allen are found innocent they are still punished..... The metoo movement want it both ways.... They want everyone punished, regardless of the evidence or the law, because they think they are right and everyone else is wrong. Actually, scrub the word 'think' from the previous sentence and insert 'know'. They know they are right. Not because they have the evidence but just because they are. And this is a major problem for the rest of us who try to argue with them.
shorturl.at/MWY28 Guardian Article
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Well I do believe that the Earth is round.
And I could never profess to say that I am right, cos in the court of allegations, it's generally one side against the other.
Didn't Allen refuse to take a lie detector with the investigating police, opting instead for one engineered by his own people, which the police then deemed inadmissible?
Also, let's not forget that Jimmy Saville and Michael Jackson never did any jail time, but their innocence is highly questioned by many people these days.
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Mar 8, 2020 - 6:51 AM
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Well I do believe that the Earth is round.
And I could never profess to say that I am right, cos in the court of allegations, it's generally one side against the other.
Didn't Allen refuse to take a lie detector with the investigating police, opting instead for one engineered by his own people, which the police then deemed inadmissible?
Also, let's not forget that Jimmy Saville and Michael Jackson never did any jail time, but their innocence is highly questioned by many people these days.
The story about Woody Allen refusing to take a polygraph test by the Connecticut state police, is just that, a story.... Not true.
However, Allen did voluntarily submit to a polygraph test that was administered by Paul Minor, one of the top testers in the US who had done polygraph tests for the FBI. It is interesting also that defence attorneys do not advise their clients to take the test when they are trying to prove their innocence because they more frequently show 'false positives' (where the innocent fail the test) "than 'false negatives'(where guilty people pass the test)
It is notable also that whilst Woody took a polygraph test, Mia Farrow refused to take it.
Jimmy Saville was never investigated whilst alive..... He has been found guilty by the court of public opinion and by the gutter press, and would certainly have been found guilty by the Weinstein jury. I have to say I am no expert on his case or that of Michael Jackson.
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Mar 8, 2020 - 7:05 AM
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Solium
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Well I do believe that the Earth is round.
And I could never profess to say that I am right, cos in the court of allegations, it's generally one side against the other.
Didn't Allen refuse to take a lie detector with the investigating police, opting instead for one engineered by his own people, which the police then deemed inadmissible?
Also, let's not forget that Jimmy Saville and Michael Jackson never did any jail time, but their innocence is highly questioned by many people these days.
The story about Woody Allen refusing to take a polygraph test by the Connecticut state police, is just that, a story.... Not true.
However, Allen did voluntarily submit to a polygraph test that was administered by Paul Minor, one of the top testers in the US who had done polygraph tests for the FBI. It is interesting also the defence attorneys so not advise their clients to take the test when they are trying to prove their innocence because they more frequently show 'false positves' (where the innocent fail the test) "than 'false negatives'(where guilty people pass the test)
It is notable also that whilst Woddy took a polygraph test, Mia Farrow refused to take it.
Jimmy Saville was never investigated whilst alive..... He has been found guilty by the court of public opinion and by the gutter press, and would certainly have been found guilty by the Weinstein jury. I hsve to say I am no expert on his case or that of Michael Jackson.
Regardless, lie detectors are not aloud as evidence in a court of law. They are scientifically unreliable. And Kev's last comment condemning two more men without the slightest bit of evidence again supports your argument. I hope Kev is never accused of a crime and face such vitriol and default guilt by the masses. Or worse yet found guilty not by evidence but by an angry mob.
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Aye. I'd just better hope if I'm ever caught fleeing from police, live on national TV, after the murder of my ex wife and her lover and there's all kinds of DNA evidence linking me to the crime...well I'd just better trust in the justice service and their procedures.
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I still think the kid in 12 Angry Men was guilty.
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