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 Posted:   Apr 30, 2025 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

On the one hand we are told repeatedly (here) that no scoring masters were lost, on the other hand we're told there is no full accounting, then a third hand that belongs to composer Tim Truman comes in and says the tapes for his "Miami Vice" scoring were lost in the fire. Who do we believe? The answer probably belongs in a middle ground that the studio doesn't want to admit to for legal reasons and blow back.

A few thoughts on this:

1. There have been multiple lawsuits by major artists, including class action suits, against Universal about the fire in various ways (including that they didn't share proceeds from insurance). So I don't think their silence is a matter of "not wanting to admit" as much as it is a legal necessity.

2. People on this board are apt to blame the Universal fire for everything from their favorite scores not being released to digipaks to Lorne Balfe getting too many gigs to First Blood being reissued every two years.

3. Many previously unreleased Universal scores have been released since 2008, frequently to posts here from people who'd assumed they'd burned up.

4. Not sure why Tim Truman would know what happened to his scoring masters.

Those are my thoughts. You're welcome.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2025 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)


2. People on this board are apt to blame the Universal fire for everything from their favorite scores not being released to digipaks to Lorne Balfe getting too many gigs to First Blood being reissued every two years.

Now that's just silly. We all know the Universal fire faked the moon landing, was the second man who really took down J.F.K., and has been hiding Hitler ever since he secretly escaped during WWII.

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2025 - 1:38 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)


2. People on this board are apt to blame the Universal fire for everything from their favorite scores not being released to digipaks to Lorne Balfe getting too many gigs to First Blood being reissued every two years.

Now that's just silly. We all know the Universal fire faked the moon landing, was the second man who really took down J.F.K., and has been hiding Hitler ever since he secretly escaped during WWII.


Actually it's been long accepted that the 2008 fire was an essential resource in helping Nazi war criminals escape to South America. But I digress. I don't follow the conspiracy theories or contribute to them, to my best knowledge. But I have opinions like everyone else. Including on digipaks to be sure.

I'm not saying anything is definitive because we don't know. I just remember suspecting the fire might be responsible for Jaws and ET since both had to use alternate sources for their LP remaster on long-awaited, first-time ever expansions. And it seemed odd both, one a Grammy winner, would be MIA. But for the record I've always thought they both probably sounded just as good at CD resolution as they would if the masters were used. I was especially surprised how good the Jaws source sounded, and still am.

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2025 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

I thought it was generally assumed that the vault fire only trashed MCA and A&M's album masters and the actual scoring session tapes were elsewhere.

(this isn't to say some scoring masters went missing anyway like Silent Running and The Andromeda Strain).

 
 Posted:   May 2, 2025 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Andy C   (Member)

Not just MCA and A&M but apparently also ABC, Chess, Decca, Geffen, Impulse, Interscope, and a host of subsidiary labels. It was an article by the New York Times (and a number of follow-ups) published in 2019 that set the cat amongst the pigeons: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/magazine/universal-fire-master-recordings.html

Whilst the articles focussed on the big names in the music industry who supposedly had material destroyed, the NYT listed Elmer Bernstein, Harold Faltermeyer, Marvin Hamlisch, Ennio Morricone and John Williams' catalogues as being affected. However, to this day no-one seems to know exactly what was destroyed and Universal certainly aren't saying. To the contrary, they've always claimed the losses were minimal and they'd conducted searches to find additional copies/clones (but faced with rage from some of the heaviest hitters in the music industry and threatened with a slew of class action lawsuits, you'd hardly expect them to say anything different...)

 
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