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 Posted:   Nov 21, 2022 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

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Regarding Jerry Goldsmith, the last totally serious drama thing he scored was probably UNDER FIRE.
Dare I say that GREMLINS and SUPERGIRL killed it all afterwards?


Uh, what about Hoosiers (1987), The Russia House (1990), Six Degrees of Separation (1993), LA Confidential (1997) and The Edge (1997). Those are all really solid dramas.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2022 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)


Uh, what about Hoosiers (1987), The Russia House (1990), Six Degrees of Separation (1993), LA Confidential (1997) and The Edge (1997). Those are all really solid dramas.


That's correct, although none of them equals UNDER FIRE.

This is why I said "with fortunately a lot of exceptions", but the overall trend was nevertheless more and more pop corn or teenage stuff over the years after 1983. And also always more scifi, adventure, comics related, superheroes stories etc. Way to much of the like actually....IMHO.

It's not related to a composer but to an era. I just miss the times of the BLACK SUNDAY, THE PARALLAX VIEW, THE DOMINO PRINCIPLE, THE FORMULA, THE AMATEUR, COMA, MARATHON MAN, TWILIGHT'S LAST GLEAMING, CAPRICORN ONE, OUTLAND, LOOKER pessimist or paranoid stories..Serious stuff with solid plot and dramatic issues.

FIRST BLOOD was of that vein of serious stuff but with additional terrific action and outdoor scenery.
This was also at a time when Sylvester Stallone was still a solid and promising actor (but also author), before he got caught by the Hollywood star-system and its inevitable egotrip (RAMBO II and ROCKY IV changed it all).

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2022 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

Yes, my Top 10 Favourite JG scores are comprised A LOT from films he scored around this period.

In addition to FIRST BLOOD (which would be in my Top 10) I would also add...
TWILIGHT ZONE - THE MOVIE.
THE FINAL CONFLICT.
RAGGEDY MAN.
POLTERGEIST.
THE CHALLENGE.

FIRST BLOOD is a marvellous score and the film is bloody great too.


Agreed on all of the above. This time period(early to mid 80's) is my absolute favorite time period of his work. Started with Star Trek: TMP and it goes on from there.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2022 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

I would rather enlarge this and would say that his 1976 to 1983 years are my favorite Jerry Goldsmith era ever.
It "begins" with LOGAN'S RUN and "ends" with TWILGHT ZONE and UNDER FIRE.

But inside that era, there is an even more shortened fantastic 1979-1982 peak that goes from STAR TREK TMP until FIRST BLOOD which includes OUTLAND, INCHON, NIGHT CROSSING, THE SALAMANDER, THE FINAL CONFLICT, THE CHALLENGE, THE SECRET OF NIMH and of course POLTERGEIST.

It all changed in late 1984 with GREMLINS and SUPERGIRL, with the synths becoming more obvious...for movies more teenage or comics oriented.

But Goldsmith was so good and gifted that even his 1984 to 1990 scores were mostly terrific, from LEGEND to LIONHEART, from RAMBO FIRT BLOOD Part II to BABY, from INNERSPACE to TOTAL RECALL, with some guilty pleasures as EXTREME PREJUDICE!

But Goldsmith' style radically changed just after he did TOTAL RECALL, exactly when his ponytail appeared btw (oddly enough). Much more than it changed first, back in 1984.

His then "people story movie" scores from the 90ies were great, THE RUSSIA HOUSE, BASIC INSTINCT, LOVE FIELD, MALICE, RUDY, FOREVER YOUNG etc, but his action scores were a bit weaker than they were before TOTAL RECALL, IMHO. THE RIVER WILD, THE SHADOW, CHAIN REACTION, EXECUTIVE DECISION, AIR FORCE ONE etc are still terrific by any standard but would have been even better 15 years before. I so wish they sounded like his 1979-1982 stuff...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2022 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

I got my QUARTET RAMBO box set today, and here is how looks the FIRST BLOOD part of the box.
4 pages of the large LP size booklet deals with the Ted Kotcheff first RAMBO movie and score.

Highly collectible to say the least.















You also can see how looks the whole box here:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=149512&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=1&r=562#bottom

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2022 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I got my QUARTET RAMBO box set today, and here is how look the FIRST BLOOD part of the box.
4 pages of the large LP size booklet deals with the Ted Kotcheff first RAMBO movie and score.

Highly collectible to say the least.











You also can see how look the whole box here:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=149512&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=1&r=562#bottom


Looks like a terrific set

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2022 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

If the set wasn't so costly, I would just get it as a collector's item and for the liner notes. But I understand the valuation here.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

Today I got my new Studiocanal french Bluray 4K Ultra HD Steelbook of FIRST BLOOD, released Nov 23.

It looks fantastic !

This international steelbook is now available in UK, France and Germany and features all 3 concerned languages from these countries. (But I see there also is an alternate spanish edition now...)

However, FIRST BLOOD was released in early 1983 as RAMBO in France and Germany, not as FIRST BLOOD. So the Studiocanal steelbook producers added a transparent slip case, with the RAMBO title on the front cover and all the credits and bonus details on the back cover in the chosen language edition.

Plus that it comes with an unexpected 50 pages booklet by David J. Moore! Available in english, french, german, spanish etc according to the regional edition selected. Mine is in french of course.

Among them features the awaited SCORING FIRST BLOOD featurette...But I just can't watch it as I have no Bluray Ultra HD hardware to play it so far. Anybody around would have checked it yet, his feedback about is welcome here.

Anyway, here is the thing and its home unboxing experience...











 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2022 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

And now the obligatory new cover artwork...I just couldn't resist.




 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2022 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

Time to analyse the FIRST BLOOD Quartet LP....

We know now, thanks to Neil S Bulk, that the Quartet LP features the complete score presentation, sourced from Intrada mixes.

I've compared the track titles and timings from both Intrada 2010 (disc one) and Quartet LP and there are some issues I would like to clarify....

The titles tracks have been heavily modified allright, but some duration remain odd.
I dont speak about the usual additional 4 to 5 sec inherent to the blanks between tracks on the LPs.

I speak about long said 20/30sec differences! No less.
According to the back covers from both CD and LP at least.

Plus that the final score has been cut a different way.
See below.

Although that when I did listen to the Quartet LP, I didn't notice anything special compared to the Intrada content and sequence order. Except that the Dan Hill vocal track is at the beginning on the LP and at the end on the CD...and that the orchestral pop version on overture of the Intrada CD is missing on the Quartet LP.

Any feedback is welcome, starting with Neil S. Bulk and Chris Malone ones of course...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2022 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

New alternate FIRST BLOOD cover, made after the Thaïland film poster and a close-up on the chopper...



 
 
 Posted:   Dec 22, 2022 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

Has anybody here already watched the Jeff Bond and friends bonus documentary about the FIRST BLOOD score featured on the brown 4K HD Bluray steelbook edition?

Any feedback is welcome, as I have no 4K HD Bluray player so far to check this thing myself.



 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2022 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

I am going on with my 40th anniversary journey...

An unexpected and original tribute to the Jerry Goldsmith's Home Coming theme....to underscore the unboxing of the 1/6 Threezero John J. Rambo figure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Yq7Fnvo8U

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2023 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

This Zaavi FIRST BLOOD big 4K UHD Bluray 1000Ltd edition box set looks really impressive once you face it in real...



However, it doesn't feature the exact same artwork than the Paul Mann artwork...

Here you can compare both.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2023 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   agentMaestraX   (Member)

My Blu-Ray 4K has a nice reflective gloss over this cover!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2023 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

Mine too but you don't see it on my still of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

And now my ultimate FIRST BLOOD 40th anniversary report....

Today I got access to a 4K UHD Bluray player so I could at last watch the awaited featurette about the music of FIRST BLOOD, which is ONLY AVAILABLE as a bonus on the 4K disc from the 40th anniversary brown steelbook. So I mean this one to be clear:


https://www.studiocanal.com/news/40th-anniversary-edition-of-rambo-first-blood-announced/:

THE HUNTER AND THE HUNTED: SCORING FIRST BLOOD (27 min 40 sec)

Wow this is a great featurette with an unexpected huge 28 min running time!

Special guests panelist are Jeff Bond, Daniel Schweiger and Robert Townson, exactly as expected.
Brian Tyler is also credited at the end but you don't see him.

The Jerry Goldsmith's music is analysed in details by our clever specialists, focusing on both the characters and the drama, all in the film order sequence. Of course the Goldsmith's music from the movie is featured all throughout in the background. There are also references to the National Philharmonic Orchestra, to Sidney Sax and other strong military character stories scored by Goldsmith like PATTON, plus the use of the trumpet as a male figure, like in CHINATOWN. Also some references to Kirk Douglas originally casted as Colonel Trautmann and the RAMBO connection with Douglas' character from the vintage 1962 LONELY ARE THE BRAVE movie.

Most of the trivia I already knew, but this is nevertheless a highly recommended documentary for Jerry Goldsmith and FIRST BLOOD fans. It's a pitty it is only available on the 4K disc and not on the regular Bluray disc.

Now I still have to watch the other 4K FIRST BLOOD exclusive documentaries and bonus from this gorgeous edition...

By the way, provided you have access to a 4K Bluray player, you don't need a 4K TV set as well to watch it, a computer screen monitor with a HDMI socket plus a hi-speed 8-10K HDMI cable are enough. And for the sound if there is a minijack socket back of the monitor, this is also enough if you connect a headphones set into it.
That's exactly the way I experienced it today. Maybe it also plays perfectly on any LED TV I don't know.

Here are a few key screenshots of the documentary I've amateurishly hand taken with my smartphone in 16/9 ratio, as I can't play the 4K disc on my computer to get 1st quality printscreens.























 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Thanks for the update Thierry. I am still beyond mystified how this release is only European centred given that Rambo is an American pop culture figure.

Sigh....

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

Yes I know, I can't explain it...but be sure that FIRST BLOOD/RAMBO is a cult movie/franchise in Europe as well.
Thus the recent deluxe Quartet LP box set for instance...which comes from Spain.

However, I've been told that there is no region segmentation for 4K UHD Bluray discs, this is a one and only world region format (unlike the regular Bluray A-B-C regions or the DVD 1 to 6 zones).

So this european 4K UHD Bluray disc with the Goldsmith score bonus featurette should play on the USA 4K UHD Bluray players as well.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

This seems like it would be great to watch! I'm bummed it's not even included in the iTunes purchase.

 
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