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We saw the film this evening and I’m struggling to think of anything that stops it from being a 10/10 film. It was, simply put, stunning. I’m still collecting my thoughts and will probably expand on this in the “rate the movie” thread, but the score was note-perfect. The songs were thoroughly justified even though I wouldn’t personally buy the song-related CD (out of context they’re not my cup of tea).
Anyone who’s seen it and tries to tell you it’s a musical, you can tell them from me they’re an idiot  . It’s like saying that Kill Bill or Natural Born Killers are musicals. Iosher22 only said “elements of musicals” so that doesn’t count.
Best new film, and best use of score, I’ve seen in ages.
Thankfully, the people have spoken and they hate all the fruity Lady Ga!Ga! - quote, unquote - singing, among other tripe.
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We saw the film this evening and I’m struggling to think of anything that stops it from being a 10/10 film. It was, simply put, stunning. I’m still collecting my thoughts and will probably expand on this in the “rate the movie” thread, but the score was note-perfect. The songs were thoroughly justified even though I wouldn’t personally buy the song-related CD (out of context they’re not my cup of tea).
Anyone who’s seen it and tries to tell you it’s a musical, you can tell them from me they’re an idiot . It’s like saying that Kill Bill or Natural Born Killers are musicals. Iosher22 only said “elements of musicals” so that doesn’t count.
Best new film, and best use of score, I’ve seen in ages.
Those who expected and wanted a film about Joker and Harley Quinn going on a „fun“ crime spree hate this one for deconstructing the Joker even more.
I think this is the film that was needed after the first one opened up so many misinterpretations. And it is the most courageous sequel in ages.
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Oct 13, 2024 - 1:02 AM
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Tall Guy
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Curious inquiry to those raising this flag, but what makes this movie not a musical? Is it just just a personal preference or opinion? Everything I have been aware about this film is that it does indeed feature multiple "songs by the characters [which] are interwoven into the narrative, sometimes accompanied by dancing. The songs usually advance the plot or develop the film's characters, but in some cases, they serve merely as breaks in the storyline, often as elaborate production numbers. (Taken from Wikipedia's description of "musical film.")
Fair question. The answer is that a thing can share the characteristics of another thing, but not have the same DNA.
I think the people raising the flag are those who describe the film as a musical. In this case, a character’s mental illness presents as a series of tableaux of songs, dances, tv shows or other entertainments, because that character wanted to have those things as a career, a way of life.
If, in a hypothetical film, the main character works in a bank but has paranoid nightmares about being in WW1 trenches, or on Omaha beach on D-Day, or flying F-15s over the desert in 1991, would that be a war film?
If a film about an alcoholic social worker saw her having delusions about being Marie Antoinette, would that be a period drama?
Sometimes it can be hard to fix a film into a genre. God knows I struggle sometimes to file some Italian films from the 1970s into either the giallo or the polizio shelves.
If you go to see Folie à Deux, and decide that it’s more akin to Paint Your Wagon or Oklahoma than to Taxi Driver or Fight Club, I’d be more than a little surprised
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Oct 13, 2024 - 12:07 PM
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SchiffyM
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If you go to see Folie à Deux, and decide that it’s more akin to Paint Your Wagon or Oklahoma than to Taxi Driver or Fight Club, I’d be more than a little surprised
I'm with nuts_score. (And no, I haven't seen the movie, but I'm not arguing the merits of the film here.) I feel like you consider "musical" to be a pejorative, suggesting musicals are all sunny and dancing and good times. But there could absolutely be a musical made of Taxi Driver or Fight Club, just as there in fact was a musical made of American Psycho.
I think one of the greatest musicals ever made is a revenge tale of a wronged barber who has a psychotic break and murders over and over on-stage, with no shortage of blood. (There's also an implied rape.) The film version of Chicago (also full of murder) presents the songs as representations of the characters' inner thoughts, prominently lead Roxie, for whom the songs are framed as a sort of mental escape from her situation. There are many more examples ("Cabaret" takes place in Nazi Germany, "Parade" presents an anti-semitic lynching) but they are all musicals. Because the characters sing songs in them. And that's what makes something a musical, whether those songs are presented as "reality" or not.
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- brilliant, love that! 
