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 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Thanks again for putting me on to these recordings. Would you say the Yokai is cleaner than the Cinema-Kan CDs?

My pleasure! It's really hard to compare with the Cinema-kan release due to the increased dynamic range of the higher resolution files. I will say it's certainly a revelation hearing it in that manner. The brass especially has more power thanks to that increased dynamic range.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Thanks again for putting me on to these recordings. Would you say the Yokai is cleaner than the Cinema-Kan CDs?

My pleasure! It's really hard to compare with the Cinema-kan release due to the increased dynamic range of the higher resolution files. I will say it's certainly a revelation hearing it in that manner. The brass especially has more power thanks to that increased dynamic range.


Wow! you weren't kidding about the sonics. Sheesh, I could have saved myself $175 CAD and skipped the Cinema-kan 3 Discs and just bought this. PLus the PDF has liner notes that include some of Ikeno's hand written full score. I love the instructions "gliss with metal coin".

Thanks again for bringing these recordings to my attention. Definitely worth $20CAD or whatever they were.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Thanks again for putting me on to these recordings. Would you say the Yokai is cleaner than the Cinema-Kan CDs?

My pleasure! It's really hard to compare with the Cinema-kan release due to the increased dynamic range of the higher resolution files. I will say it's certainly a revelation hearing it in that manner. The brass especially has more power thanks to that increased dynamic range.


Wow! you weren't kidding about the sonics. Sheesh, I could have saved myself $175 CAD and skipped the Cinema-kan 3 Discs and just bought this. PLus the PDF has liner notes that include some of Ikeno's hand written full score. I love the instructions "gliss with metal coin".

Thanks again for bringing these recordings to my attention. Definitely worth $20CAD or whatever they were.


I missed a large part of this thread. Are we talking about Yokai or Sei Ikeno works? Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

Wow! you weren't kidding about the sonics. Sheesh, I could have saved myself $175 CAD and skipped the Cinema-kan 3 Discs and just bought this. PLus the PDF has liner notes that include some of Ikeno's hand written full score. I love the instructions "gliss with metal coin".

Thanks again for bringing these recordings to my attention. Definitely worth $20CAD or whatever they were.



It's my pleasure as always. I knew you would be amazed! There's nothing wrong with the Cinema-kan release and is well worth having. The problem is that CD audio has a lower sampling rate and bit depth, only so much can be done as a result.

Yes, that's a technique also used by Ifukube, striking the harp of the piano itself. I myself have done it as well, and it's pretty effective. In addition, the PDF talks about the Stravinsky influence among other things. I also love the cue sheet PDF as well.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2024 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

I missed a large part of this thread. Are we talking about Yokai or Sei Ikeno works? Thanks.

We're currently discussing Salida's digital releases.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2024 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   MD   (Member)

It arrived today! Thanks again MD.

I am glad that box set arrived safely and is in good hands.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2024 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

Thanks again for putting me on to these recordings. Would you say the Yokai is cleaner than the Cinema-Kan CDs?

My pleasure! It's really hard to compare with the Cinema-kan release due to the increased dynamic range of the higher resolution files. I will say it's certainly a revelation hearing it in that manner. The brass especially has more power thanks to that increased dynamic range.


In my experience in dealing with older tracks, releasing them at a higher rate than 44.1doesn't do a heck of a lot to improve the sound. What will make a difference is if the source material is different from that used on a CD or if things were equalized. For instance, I think you can get more power in the brass by EQing more than increasing a dynamic range. They might have just made the tracks LOUDER, which can make things sound so much better in you A/B them. Not having any of these downloads, I can't examine the wave forms.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2024 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Thanks again for putting me on to these recordings. Would you say the Yokai is cleaner than the Cinema-Kan CDs?

My pleasure! It's really hard to compare with the Cinema-kan release due to the increased dynamic range of the higher resolution files. I will say it's certainly a revelation hearing it in that manner. The brass especially has more power thanks to that increased dynamic range.


In my experience in dealing with older tracks, releasing them at a higher rate than 44.1doesn't do a heck of a lot to improve the sound. What will make a difference is if the source material is different from that used on a CD or if things were equalized. For instance, I think you can get more power in the brass by EQing more than increasing a dynamic range. They might have just made the tracks LOUDER, which can make things sound so much better in you A/B them. Not having any of these downloads, I can't examine the wave forms.


I have three recordings of Yokai and I think these digital tracks are from a different source master. There is less if not any distortion compared to the Cinema-kan 3 disc set. There are also additional tracks.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2024 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Ostinato   (Member)

MMM is correct in that regard. EQ the material, and you can do things like give the brass more punch or beef up lower frequencies and so on. In addition, raising the volume works wonders too. It's why I listen to things at a pretty high volume.

As for the source material, Salida digitized the four master tapes while in production of DESL-007 in order to prevent further deterioration. This is what was used for their digital release. Despite the larger number of tracks, the contents are the same as the Cinema-kan release. Everything on the master tapes is on both the Cinema-kan release and Salida's digital release.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2024 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

MMM is correct in that regard. EQ the material, and you can do things like give the brass more punch or beef up lower frequencies and so on. In addition, raising the volume works wonders too. It's why I listen to things at a pretty high volume.

As for the source material, Salida digitized the four master tapes while in production of DESL-007 in order to prevent further deterioration. This is what was used for their digital release. Despite the larger number of tracks, the contents are the same as the Cinema-kan release. Everything on the master tapes is on both the Cinema-kan release and Salida's digital release.


Good to know! I’ve been so taken with Ikeno’s music and the idea of Yokai in general that I’ve actually begun a series of pieces for orchestra based on different types of spirits. It’s been cool to study Ikeno’s short scores to see some of the orchestral techniques he used.

 
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