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May 2, 2022 - 10:50 PM
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Laurent78
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As to the score for the 1986 comedy LA GALETTE DU ROI which you mentioned and linked to above, it struck me that the famous "Valse d´Augustine" from the later LE CHATEAU DE MA MÈRE also already appears in one track of this earlier music and is named there "Valse de Corsalina". Is this the first appearance of that waltz or had it originally been composed for an even earlier score?
Well, I would at first say that Cosma actually wrote this tune for LA GALETTE DU ROI but as you know, he's got big notebooks where he's writing down musical ideas ever since his childhood, so one never knows for sure if a given tune has not been used in some obscure project before. In the booklet of the 3d box, they just explain that the Valse de Corsalina was a blueprint for the Valse d'Augustine. Additionally, I once heard Cosma saying that Danièle Delorme, the actor who was also Yves Robert's wife at that time, heard the Valse de Corsalina and wanted it absolutely for LE CHÂTEAU... Cosma therefore reused it but at least came up with a new middle part even though I personally prefer the one written for Corsalina. And if you listen to the 6' long version of Augustine, both middle sections are featured.
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Stefan, just for the fun, listen to this track and let me know what you think about the tunes featured in it :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6dtS2XXhk
I'm sure you will recognize at least one of them, especially the one starting at ca 1'41.
Thank you for the link, Laurent. I hadn´t listend to COLÈRE before. I like that "Générique" track very much, it is quite lovely. The theme which starts at minute 1:41 is indeed easy to recognize as it is just another variation of the "Marius et Fanny" tune from LA TRILOGIE MARSEILLAISE. Cosma seems to have reused it in almost the same way in the waltz for Jean-Pierre Mocky´s 2013 film LE RENARD JAUNE.
Does the waltz theme at the beginning of the COLÈRE track also come from an earlier Cosma score? I am not quite sure if I have ever heard it before.
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Will you two get a room! 
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Stefan, I so far didn't identify the opening waltz of COLÈRE (it could be original stuff !)
I have now found the source for this theme. Again it is not original stuff, but the theme comes from the 1997 score LES PALMES DE M. SCHUTZ. It is the piano track "Papilllon de nuit":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enFiTyi9vto
For COLÈRE Cosma made an orchestral version of this piano theme.
On the other hand, I am not really familiar with the waltz theme from 13 FRENCH STREET. At least it seems to be not from one of the scores for the Marcel Pagnol films as I had originally thought. Therefore I don´t know why you write that it would be certainly too easy to identify.
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On the other hand, I am not really familiar with the waltz theme from 13 FRENCH STREET. At least it seems to be not from one of the scores for the Marcel Pagnol films as I had originally thought. Therefore I don´t know why you write that it would be certainly too easy to identify.
FINALLY I have now discovered the score from which this waltz has been taken; but it has taken a long time. 
It is the main theme from the 1983 comedy JAMAIS AVANT LE MARIAGE and appears in different guises there. However, that´s really a score to which I have never paid much attention before and during the 80s or 90s I had also never bought the LP of it. Therefore it is no wonder that it has been quite difficult for me to identify this music.
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Since you like this game, here's yet another example also taken from a Mocky movie :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5cyiMBAZ78
This one I have identified and I would say that I prefer the original version.
This one is really very easy to identify.
SALUT L´ARTISTE seems to be one of Cosma´s own favourites as he always performs that music in his concerts. I agree with you, Laurent, that in this case the original version is better and profits from Toots Thielemans as harmonica soloist.
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Funny because I wasn't at all thinking of SALUT L'ARTISTE. Which track from this score do you mean ? The main one ?
By the way, the cue I mean isn't performed by a harmonica.
Hmm, did I hear wrongly, Laurent? I didn´t listen to the whole track of LES INSOMNIAQUES, but only the first half and the bluesy beginning with the first few notes of the harmonica for me was so similar to the one of the main theme "Yves et Danielle" from SALUT L´ARTISTE that I was immediately reminded of that melody and therefore thought that you also had that one in mind.
Ok, if I listen again more closely to the track then further on the motif itself gets indeed developed in a bit different way. So I suppose you are thinking of another score than SALUT L´ARTISTE and where the complete main theme is absolutely identical with the one of LES INSOMNIAQUES?
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I suppose that I now have the track you mean, Laurent. It is either "Angelina" or "Séduction" from the 1994 score L´AFFAIRE. In both tracks the solo instrument is a pan flute whereas in LES INSOMNIAQUES it is a harmonica. And in my opinion Cosma has again slightly changed a bit the accentuation of the first few notes so that the INSOMNIAQUES track therefore gets nearer to the main theme of SALUT L´ARTISTE. This is of course reinforcced through the use of the same solo instrument.
I must say that I still hear as much similarity to the SALUT tune above all during the first 20-30 seconds of the track from LES INSOMNIAQUES as to the one from L´AFFAIR. Really a strange case.
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I'd rather wait for the 6th box set.
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