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 Posted:   Jan 25, 2020 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

I agree that Williams' scores for this last trilogy were more on the serviceable side than the memorable side, aside from a few marvelous new themes. But I wonder how much much of that can be laid at his feet, or if it speaks more to the material and finished product he had to work with. It makes me wonder that if the last film had been of the same caliber as, say, A New Hope or Empire, where there were bigger "set pieces" or the scenes were way less frenetic and allowed to breathe a little more, would it have resulted in a much better score.

With exceptions, of course, I think that while many films owe much of their success to the score, the scores also are only as good as the film allows.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2020 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Powell did a great job on Solo, but admitted himself that it was like working with some kind of Higher Being when he watched him at work up close. And don't forget Williams supplied a lot of the meat on the bones of the Solo score.
JNH and Joel McNeely would write fine scores, even if the latter would just be fed through the JW algorithms super computer.
And I'll dance on your grave, you cheeky young Newb.


True I don't know how far Williams involvement was on Solo. Though there are some marvelous cues (in Solo) with the kind of depth I haven't heard since A New Hope and Empire. I think Powell's work on HTTYD shows he has the chops for this franchise.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2020 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

I see the JW's cultists are out in full force. The last three scores are serviceable but hardly memorable or classics. The well has run dry and the spark is no longer there.

Powell could've done a bang up job. So could Joel McNeely, Jame Newton Howard, probably ten other composers.


Sure, they could all have done a great job. And you could say the same thing about every other score in existence. There are always plenty of talented contemporaries who could theoretically produce greatness. Nobody exclusively owns lightning in a bottle. Such conjecture is especially persuasive if you are underwhelmed by what was actually produced. But comparing something that exists with a hypothetical seems a bit silly. Much like comparing apples with something that doesn't exist but seems enticing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2020 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

You're preaching to the converted, sol, when you praise the film work of John Powell.
I think he's one of the finest of the newer generation.
But Williams' DNA ran right through the Solo score for me, embellished by that more modern/percussive sound of Powell.
I think Williams' more cohesive sound and style was compromised by the way the sequel trilogy films were made, wherein JJA makes the films as he goes along in bits and pieces and Rian Johnson talked a good 'blank canvas' talk but ended up falling back on existing stuff and sticking close to the SW temp track.
Williams used to go away for a few weeks, write up a storm, then come back and layer in the music with some slight/additional tweaks on the scoring/recording stage.
Oh for those days of composer freedom, trust and creativity.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2020 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Powell was GREAT on the Dragon movies.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2020 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Powell was GREAT on the Dragon movies.

I hate remakes the one thing I took from the Italian Job was Powell's effort although its not as refreshing as Q's - it still has that cool detail of rich synthetic material I enjoy it, I'll give Dragons ago.

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2020 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

Movie itself is now available digitally, if you want to enrage/comfort yourself in quarantine.

https://amzn.to/39RXZia

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2020 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Movie itself is now available digitally, if you want to enrage/comfort yourself in quarantine.

Heh. It's been over a month since anyone talked about this film or score.

Let's face it: even their staunchest defenders (publicly, anyway) want to forget these films ever happened.

Speaking of The Star War and "comfort", today I cracked open the Russ Manning comic strips and lo and behold, the story I picked at random was "Tatooine Sojourn"

...a 1979 story about a plague.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tatooine_Sojourn

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2020 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   ST-321   (Member)



Let's face it: even their staunchest defenders (publicly, anyway) want to forget these films ever happened.


That's total nonsense. My life is richer (not financially) because the films exist, not only because of the three Williams scores, but for the films themselves.

Though your mileage may vary and I have no problem with that. Feel free to hate them, but not everyone does.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2020 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   RynoSmithers   (Member)



Let's face it: even their staunchest defenders (publicly, anyway) want to forget these films ever happened.


That's total nonsense. My life is richer (not financially) because the films exist, not only because of the three Williams scores, but for the films themselves.

Though your mileage may vary and I have no problem with that. Feel free to hate them, but not everyone does.


I too enjoyed the movie and score. Saw the movie three times in the theater. Been listening to the score ever since. Not my favorite of williams of Star Wars movie, but I’m glad it exists! Will probably wait for the 4K Blu-ray though.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2020 - 11:24 PM   
 By:   igger6   (Member)

Thirded. This movie has tons of defenders. I liked TFA, hated TLJ, and loved TROS (warts and all). It's an unprecedented thing for a trilogy to be planned as a trilogy by the studio but not otherwise planned at all, and it was a disaster for the crafting of a coherent trio of movies, but it produced quite a few thrilling moments and some absolute musical gold. Ten years from now, when I'm reaching for a Star Wars sequel trilogy film to watch, I'll probably reach for TROS first.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2020 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Good to see this film and it's score still being showered with praise.
I will no doubt re-watch the film on DVD, for a re-evaluation, but the score (and the extra bits from the FYC) has been listened to quite often by me since December.
Rock On Tommy!!

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2020 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

I am enjoying listening to JW's score for the film.The movie itself may be a dumpster fire like the rest of the trilogy but tracks like The Rise Of Skywalker are quite nice.

But in an age where many fan films are made with more love and respect for the property than the greedy studio that now owns the rights,its very sad indeed.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2020 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Who the hell thought it a good idea to leave “Lando’s Arrival” off the soundtrack. Amazing cue to cap off the scores of 9 films.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2020 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Who the hell thought it a good idea to leave “Lando’s Arrival” off the soundtrack. Amazing cue to cap off the scores of 9 films.

Well, that would be John Williams, he produced the album and has his own completely valid reasons for why it wasn't included.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2020 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   emusician   (Member)

Who the hell thought it a good idea to leave “Lando’s Arrival” off the soundtrack. Amazing cue to cap off the scores of 9 films.

This score needs a deluxe edition for sure! Cues such as Falcon Flight, Rey's Training, Kylo's "hero" music, and the aforementioned cue mentioned above, all need a proper release. Out of all the sequel scores, this is the only one I wish were expanded.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2020 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I greatly enjoyed the soundtrack - easily my favorite of the three new films - but I watched the film for the first time this weekend and it was so disjointed, such an incredible mess, I felt like I was having a stroke during it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2020 - 6:39 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I bought THE SKYWALKER SAGA set from Best Buy. I absolutely loved THE RISE OF SKYWAKER! I just watched it again with my mom tonight, and she really enjoyed it too. For about two hours it completely took our minds off all the crap that's going on in the world.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2020 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

I didn't like the film much when I saw it the first time, but I appreciated it much more the second time. J.J. Abrams had a real puzzle before him, and I have to give him credit for what he was able to achieve.

I do hope though that we get some of that unreleased music, as there's some great stuff there.


I bought THE SKYWALKER SAGA set from Best Buy. I absolutely loved THE RISE OF SKYWAKER! I just watched it again with my mom tonight, and she really enjoyed it too. For about two hours it completely took our minds off all the crap that's going on in the world.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2020 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I also have been watching THE CLONE WARS animated series, I bought the Blu-ray set and am enjoying it.

 
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