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Yavar, thanks for your reply, and the YouTube (and other) links.
And yes, absolutely - do bring on (the rest of) his TV stuff - both episodic and feature-length!
Oh yeah, Goldsmith's episodic TV output is one of the biggest untapped goldmines of excellent unreleased Goldsmith still. It shouldn't be dismissed just because it isn't feature length. A full disc of his six scores for Gunsmoke would be amazing to get...
I brought this up in another thread. Sometime in the 80's Goldsmith supposedly was working on an animated musical film of The Phantom Tollbooth. It would have had numerous songs that needed to be written and recorded before the animation could be started, and the project was aborted during production. I was hearing about this at the time, I think Goldsmith spoke of it in an interview, but have never came across any mention of it since. Do you know anything about it, Yavar?
I think your post is the first we'd heard of it! Certainly an intriguing prospect. I wonder if Carol Goldsmith has any of this written music (or the unfinished 70s cello concerto "Quadrants") tucked away in a box somewhere...
A TREE GROW IN BROOKLYN 1974 should be considered.
It's a great score for sure, but didn't qualify for this poll because half the score was released on the Varese Goldsmith at Fox box set. It was one of my favorite scores on the three discs of previously unreleased music! I would be very surprised if La-La Land doesn't include a complete version of this in their Goldsmith at 20th series -- after all they substantially expanded SPYS which was similarly only previously available on that set in a short suite. And they've said the series will include TV scores, back in November when it was first announced. I think an expanded edition of A Tree Grows in Brooklyn would be one of the crown jewels of this new series of theirs.
Yavar
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David: I brought this up in another thread. Sometime in the 80's Goldsmith supposedly was working on an animated musical film of The Phantom Tollbooth. It would have had numerous songs that needed to be written and recorded before the animation could be started, and the project was aborted during production. I was hearing about this at the time, I think Goldsmith spoke of it in an interview, but have never came across any mention of it since. Do you know anything about it, Yavar?
Yavar: I think your post is the first we'd heard of it! Certainly an intriguing prospect. I wonder if Carol Goldsmith has any of this written music (or the unfinished 70s cello concerto "Quadrants") tucked away in a box somewhere...
Agreed. I went on a hunt after this. Both Goldsmith and the old Tollbooth picture are so ubiquitous that it took a heavily filtered search, which eventually led to exactly two relevant results: your two posts, David.
I didn't find Tollbooth mentioned in any of the video and audio interviews I've collected, but that doesn't mean he didn't mention it in print (or someone else just as credible on the project). He had a few up in the air things in the 90s & 00s. Yavar keeps Quadrants close to his heart. In 1999, Ray Bradbury told an audience in which I sat that he and Jerry were working on an opera based on Moby Dick. I asked Goldsmith about this backstage in Detroit, and he was surprised I knew of it, but had a solid, "Well, we'll see. He keeps talking about it, but..." view of it. Tollbooth is just as credible, and we'll certainly keep our ears open about it!
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Not really a 'premiere' but I think the one true expansion many of us would like to see is 'Leviathan' (1989). The original album is great but it's been long out of print. I feel lucky to own it, but would love more (with remastered sound).
Would also like 'Hollow Man' (expanded) and '13th Warrior' (expanded)... and a reissue of 'Gladiator' (rejected score)!
As your add-ons of Hollow Man and The 13th Warrior would indicate, I think there are a lot more "true expansions" people want of Goldsmith scores besides just Leviathan. It's just one of the very few remaining more modern scores which Varese doesn't control in perpetuity (but in this case the hold up is apparently some company in Italy which has the complete recording sessions in their possession, which might be an worse obstacle). Here's DeputyRiley's Complete Score Breakdown thread if you're curious about the unreleased music:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=110196&forumID=1&archive=0
And since this thread is just for desired Goldsmith premieres, here's my more general thread, "What Goldsmith scores are left to expand?":
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=90657&forumID=1&archive=0
Some of the other Goldsmith expansions I want most are Love Field, Medicine Man, Matinee, City Hall, Our Man Flint, The Other, and Mom and Dad Save the World. All of these are controlled by Varese Sarabande in perpetuity.
Complete expansions (not Varese-controlled) I very much want but which seem unlikely due to lost elements are Legend, Link, Under Fire, The Secret of NIMH, Ransom (aka The Terrorists), The Chairman, and In Harm's Way...
Yavar
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Back to premiers, my ultimate as of today would be the film tracks from THE SALAMANDER. Terrific score from Goldsmith’s most creative period.
SCOTT
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Back to premiers, my ultimate as of today would be the film tracks from THE SALAMANDER. Terrific score from Goldsmith’s most creative period.
I'm with you. I love and am super grateful for the Tadlow recording, but I would love to get the original film recording under Jerry's baton someday, if tapes were ever discovered somehow.
I think I said something similar in another thread.
I'd buy BLACK PATCH & THE MAN if/when they are released and then that's it.
There's nothing else I really desire from JG after those.
You're in luck, Kev... I wasn't sure at first whether to update this thread with the latest Goldsmith news -- Intrada's Kickstarter campaign to re-record Black Patch (1957) and The Man (1972)!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/129145902/black-patch-the-man-jerry-goldsmith-new-recording
Currently at $22,789 with 287 backers and over 27 days left to go. I think this is going to become a reality, but since in my original post I wasn't counting re-recordings (including unique album recordings like MacArthur -- I was only counting original film recordings), I guess they are going to have to stay on the list indefinitely, since I think this Kickstarter is pretty good confirmation that Intrada searched high and low and couldn't find anything, which means the original tapes for both were probably tossed at some point. Of course, miracles sometimes happen and they might be discovered in somebody's attic some day.
Still, I want to celebrate Intrada for not just being content with bringing us no less than FIVE total Goldsmith premieres (from the original tracks) in the past year or so, but to now want to bring us two more totally unreleased Goldsmith scores in a new recording since they otherwise are lost. What an incredibly terrible time for the world it's been since March 2020, but what incredible riches Goldsmith fans have received (and continue to receive) in that time...
Yavar
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AND THE WINNER IS...
1. BLACK PATCH (1957) with a total of 95 points, 14 votes, and 4 first-choice votes!
As Thor said, it's not a hugely surprising winner, since it was Goldsmith's very first feature film score. That said, I also think it merits #1 because the music is just superb, with a main theme right out of Goldsmith's top drawer.
And the rest of the TOP 10:
2. Face of a Fugitive (1959) with 90 points awarded from 12 votes
3. The Public Eye (unused score) (1992) 89 points, 11 votes, 2 first-choice votes
4. Shamus (1973) 83 points, 10 votes, 3 first-choice votes
5. The Don Is Dead (1973) 73 points, 7 votes, 2 first-choice votes
6. Pursuit (1972) 60 points, 8 votes, 1 first-choice vote
7. The Man (1972) 42 points, 6 votes, 3 first-choice votes
8. The Waltons (at least six episodes) (1973) 40 points, 6 votes, 2 first-choice votes
9. MacArthur (1977) 35 points, 4 votes, 2 first-choice votes
10. Crawlspace (1972) 33 points, 6 votes, 1 first-choice vote
Thanks to Intrada's efforts of just the past year since they began their deluge of Goldsmith premieres with Take Her, She's Mine, poll winners #s 1-5 and 7 have all -- incredibly -- been addressed in this short amount of time! Of course I'm presuming success for the Kickstarter campaign to re-record #s 1 & 7, but I don't think it's much of a stretch. That leaves #6, the TV feature film Pursuit (1972) starring Ben Gazzara as the remaining most-wanted totally unreleased Goldsmith score (technically a single two minute cue was re-recorded for a compilation by Silva Screen). I wonder if original tapes for it survive anywhere... here's the film (with my "Advance Liner Notes") for those who don't know it. It's a very cool "mod" score like Shamus, but with perhaps more action:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=117275&forumID=1&archive=0
And though it was #10 in overall votes, Crawlspace is my new #1 most wanted ahead of Pursuit; just a superb score by Jerry -- here's the film for that, with my "Advance Liner Notes" too:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=116952&forumID=1&archive=0
So...I wonder how much interest there would be here for me to re-do the poll, now that over half of the top 10 has been taken care of.
Yavar
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Interesting, Lichty!
Here are my votes:
1 The Public Eye (Unused)
2 Shamus
3 Face of a Fugitive
4 Pursuit
5 The Man
6 Crawlspace
7 The Salamander
8 Black Patch
9 The Waltons
10 The Last Run
And then: All the other unreleased stuff!!!!
Here's Yavar's to-date list ranked, now featuring his votes! (and a missing one of mine)
If something's too low, vote to boost it, you.
TOPS
85 - Black Patch (1957)
79 - The Public Eye (1992) (unused score)
74 - Face of a Fugitive (1959)
64 - Shamus (1973)
MIDDLES
44 - Pursuit (1972)
43 - The Don Is Dead (1973)
38 - The Waltons (at least six episodes) (1973)
36 - The Man (1972)
35 - MacArthur (1977)
32 - Thriller (sixteen episodes) (1960-1962)
28 - Crawlspace (1972)
26 - General Electric Theater (at least eight episodes?) (1959-1962)
BOTTOMS
16 - Chrysler Theater (pilot: "A Killing at Sundial") (1963)
13 - Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate (1971)
12 - The Salamander (1981)
10 - The Jerry Goldsmith CBS Library Music - all of it, whole and clear, well sorted, too.
9 - Brotherhood of the Gun (aka Hollister) (theme only)
8 - Gunsmoke (six episodes) (1960-1966)
8 - Indict and Convict (1974)
8 - Kraft Mystery Theater (one episode: "Shadow of a Man") (1963)
7 - Bracken's World (one episode: "A Score Without Strings") (1970)
7 - Wagon Train (two episodes) (1961-1962)
6 - Ben Casey (one episode: "Eulogy in Four Flats") (1963)
5 - Breaking Point (two episodes) (1964)
5 - Have Gun
3 - Lights Out (unsold pilot episode: "When Widows Weep") (1972)
1 - Destry (three episodes) (1964)
1 - Hour of the Gun (1967)
1 - The Best of Times (unsold pilot) (1974)
I GOT BUPKIS
87th Precinct (one episode: "Step Forward") (1962)
CBS Playhouse ("The People Next Door") (1968)
Dusty (unsold pilot?) (1983)
Prudence and the Chief (unsold pilot) (1970)
Rawhide (one episode: "Incident in the Middle of Nowhere") (1961)
The Expendables (unsold pilot?) (1961)
The Gambler, the Nun, and the Radio (1960)
The General with the Cockeyed Id (short film) (1964)
The Last Run (1972)
The Legend of Jesse James (one episode: "Things Don't Just Happen") (1961)
The Sergeant and the Lady (unsold pilot episode) (1958)
Tomorrow's Newspaper (unsold pilot: "All Day to Live") (1961)
World in White (unsold pilot) (1959)
You've have to wait for a World Premiere Recording for "The Waltons"' scores, because the master tapes are lost.
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You've have to wait for a World Premiere Recording for "The Waltons"' scores, because the master tapes are lost.
I think they'd be a GREAT candidate for re-recording, precisely because:
1) the master tapes are lost, as you say
2) there is substantial name recognition for the series (and Jerry's music for it)
3) being television scores, they are probably all for smaller orchestra which would mean they are less expensive to record (maybe not as inexpensive to record as Thriller, but still -- and the series was far more long-lived and popular).
Yavar
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You've have to wait for a World Premiere Recording for "The Waltons"' scores, because the master tapes are lost.
I think they'd be a GREAT candidate for re-recording, precisely because:
1) the master tapes are lost, as you say
2) there is substantial name recognition for the series (and Jerry's music for it)
3) being television scores, they are probably all for smaller orchestra which would mean they are less expensive to record (maybe not as inexpensive to record as Thriller, but still -- and the series was far more long-lived and popular).
Yavar
Yep! I'd go for The Walton's in a flash! I'm in for any future Kickstarter project!
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I'm pretty sure Goldsmith wrote half a dozen original scores for the first season of The Waltons (not counting the pilot TV movie, The Homecoming, for which tapes survived and were released by FSM). That's more than he had contributed for any TV series since his sixteen original Thriller scores between late 1960 and early 1962. If I had to guess I suspect recording all six Waltons scores complete would require a 2 CD set. I did a breakdown for one of the scores (the superb Jewish-flavored "The Ceremony") and it was just under 20 minutes, so that probably means about an hour for each disc:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=117025&forumID=1&archive=0
Maybe something Intrada would consider for a future Kickstarter especially since both Tadlow Thriller volumes were successful.
Yavar
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Yeah, those are both excellent feature-length scores. We've heard for years that Pursuit was lost (and would therefore require a re-recording). But then again Shamus was discovered recently and it was supposed to be in the same boat! So maybe there's still hope for Pursuit showing up some day. I wonder if any of the labels have hunted for Crawlspace tapes... nothing has been said publicly about them being lost *or* extant.
That said, I think I now might desire a new recording of the six scores for The Waltons even more...but I've never really watched the show to be honest. I can certainly understand disliking a score because of unpleasant associations to what it was attached to. Let's just say that watching Damnation Alley did not make me enjoy Jerry's music more than I already did, and I'm glad I fell in love with the score before watching the film.
Yavar
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Given the popularity in this discussion group for:
Goldsmith
Horror/Fantasy
Series/Name Recognition
I think that re-recordings of all of the T-Zone scores would sell extremely well.
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Hmmm...what are your feelings on Goldsmith's brilliant score to Magic, I wonder? That gets pretty sinister at times...
I'm guessing though you sadly aren't able to enjoy two of my favorite 1960 Goldsmith scores, Studs Lonigan and "The Big Tall Wish" from The Twilight Zone...
As for The Waltons, I think there's a decent amount of variety in Jerry's scoring for it. If you have time at least check out his episode score for "The Ceremony", because along with some lovely Americana (don't recall if there's harmonica, but I think maybe not) it also showcases his great Jewish sound familiar from QBVII, Masada, and The Going Up of David Lev:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=117025&forumID=1&archive=0
Yavar
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