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 Posted:   Jan 18, 2025 - 11:20 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Yay, getting $10 tacked onto the price just so we can have another copy of an album we've all owned for the last 25 years...!

I would be shocked if the cost of the product increases by $10 due to that.


Considering that the CDs I was buying from Intrada back in the mid 80s were often 20 smackers or so, the prices paid these days seem awfully reasonable. A bit of a bummer for those who cash strapped but the quantity AND the quality of Intrada products make them worth every single penny. I do get it though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2025 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

Yay, getting $10 tacked onto the price just so we can have another copy of an album we've all owned for the last 25 years...!

I would be shocked if the cost of the product increases by $10 due to that.


Considering that the CDs I was buying from Intrada back in the mid 80s were often 20 smackers or so, the prices paid these days seem awfully reasonable. A bit of a bummer for those who cash strapped but the quantity AND the quality of Intrada products make them worth every single penny. I do get it though.


Totally agree. I’m from the UK and I am prepared to put up with high p&p but that’s my hobby. Can’t afford to do it a lot but when I can’t worth it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2025 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

I'm over the moon at the prospect of this release. I remember when the 30-second previews of the original release were online, and I heard THE PATRIOT main theme for the first time (and I can remember exactly where the sound cut off), I was beside myself with excitement to hear the whole thing. On release day, I had to be in court, as part of my terrible divorce proceedings that dragged on for years, but as soon as I got out, I stopped at the mall, purchased the cd, and then went and listened to the whole thing in my car in the parking lot. My day improved considerably!

Thank you, Doug, wherever you are, and thank you to the Intrada team for following through with this release.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2025 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I'm over the moon at the prospect of this release. I remember when the 30-second previews of the original release were online, and I heard THE PATRIOT main theme for the first time (and I can remember exactly where the sound cut off), I was beside myself with excitement to hear the whole thing. On release day, I had to be in court, as part of my terrible divorce proceedings that dragged on for years, but as soon as I got out, I stopped at the mall, purchased the cd, and then went and listened to the whole thing in my car in the parking lot. My day improved considerably!

Thank you, Doug, wherever you are, and thank you to the Intrada team for following through with this release.


Yes. I indeed remember hearing that main theme that was available as an early online streaming wonder. Was absolutely swept away by its gaelic feel. It was rapturous and moving and elegant. I'm surprised it's not a concert staple as it should be in the regular Boston Pops repertoire.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2025 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

I buy very few releases these days but this will be a must have for me. The main theme is achingly beautiful as it opens and transitions to the patriotic theme and closes as lovely as it began. I can't wait.

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2025 - 9:15 PM   
 By:   rdj252   (Member)

That alt arrangement Mike gave them doesn’t seem to pertain to the tracks as listed on that page.

They just continued numbering the tracks straight through both disks on this site. Go back to disc 2 and start with 1 maybe?[/endquote

Good lord. I’m an idiot and had to correct myself. That alternative listening starts with the alternate cues (track 10) and goes through 29 so it’s just 10-29 rearranged. I guess everyone else figured it out I had to re-read that. Sorry for being so dumb. I had to correct myself especially since I was trying to help someone else and just made it worse. Still, I can’t wait to order this tomorrow.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2025 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

It’s now up for order. Press Release:

Intrada announces a 25th-anniversary edition of John Williams' Oscar-nominated score to the 2000 Columbia Pictures/Centropolis film The Patriot. Throughout Williams' long and treasured career he had developed a fresh, Americana voice, first coming to the fore in his 1969 score to The Reivers, then furthered a few years later with The Cowboys and quite powerfully in an unexpected place—-the Smallville sequences of Superman. It was a style that he would return to periodically and The Patriot provided a showcase for this style. The score involves three principal themes that correspond to protagonist Martin’s past, present, and future—the war trauma theme, the love theme and the patriot theme. As the themes weave throughout the score, Williams' beloved epic style is on full display, as well as exciting action music. It's all here in this lengthy and powerful work.
Williams wrote his score for The Patriot over the course of about two months, a length of time he described as “fairly generous.” He then recorded the score over eight sessions between May 6 and May 20, 2000. For this expanded 3-CD set, producer Mike Matessino took a meticulous approach to restoring the score for full presentation as well as preserving the unique and artistic presentation of the original Hollywood Records album. As Matessino writes in the album's liner notes:

For this presentation, Sony Pictures transferred the Genex digital back-up 8-channel multiple optical disk (MOD) cartridges, which preserved Shawn Murphy’s SDDS mixes. Performance edits were recreated, and the two-channel stereo mix-down process precisely followed what was done for the original soundtrack album. Careful attention was paid to the shortcomings that Murphy had originally noted in 2000,specifically to how SDDS’s two additional front channels could compromise audio clarity and breadth of the stereo mix. The entire presentation was monitored in this regard so that the end result would preserve all of the subtlety and dynamic power of the original recording.

The film is a historical war drama set during the American Revolutionary War. It follows Benjamin Martin, a South Carolina farmer and war hero turned pacifist, who is reluctantly drawn into the fight for independence after a brutal attack by British forces claims the life of his son. As he leads a militia against the British, Martin grapples with personal loss, revenge, and his duty to his family and country. Starring Mel Gibson and Heath Ledger, the film blends intense battle sequences with emotional drama.


https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12982/.f?sc=13&category=-113

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2025 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   ClaytonMG   (Member)

Interesting to read about the SDDS 8 Channel. I wonder if that's why I always felt the original album lacked some clarity.

This was an instant order for me. Love the score but always felt the original album wasn't a great presentation of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2025 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Ordered

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2025 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I just ordered this.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2025 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

If you listen to the sound clips or even the full cue on the Legacy of John Williams podcast, you can tell how much better this sounds than the original album. I never noticed how poor that sounded until hearing the new one… it’s quite significant IMO:
https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2025/01/17/exclusive-preview-the-patriot/

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2025 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Greatly expanded and high quality Williams release. I’m all in of course.

As it happens, The Patriot is one of the few Willams score I didn't own. So, I’m doubly in.

 
 Posted:   Jan 20, 2025 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   thx99   (Member)

8-channel multiple optical disk (MOD) cartridges

I believe this should read “8-channel magneto optical disk”, not “multiple”.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 12:40 AM   
 By:   Michaelware   (Member)

Question I have always had. I found this a good score but the movie was so simplistic it sort of outclasses it. Its just about mel's revenge with the war a backdrop. In the liner notes, it is mentioned the three thematic parts, past, present, and future. How do you see these as coalescing, instead of being separate things? does it ever tell the story in an integrated way like Born on the Fourth of July, in which the hero's emotional trauma and development is embedded in harmonic and theme motives and integrated into the main elegiac classical theme, all one forward wrap up? I always thought the Patriot score didnt bring the parts about the hero's guilt and hatred together with the family warmth together with the big war theme, they were just there at different scenes. I am fully aware I could be missing something just because I didn't like the movie. Does anyone have any musicological insights I am not hearing? Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 1:24 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)





THE PATRIOT
Music Composed and Conducted by John Williams

Label: Intrada Special Collection Volume ISC 504
Film Date: 2000
Album Date: 2025
Time: 224:39
Tracks: 75

3CD edition of John Williams' Oscar-nominated score to The Patriot!

Intrada announces a 25th-anniversary edition of John Williams' Oscar-nominated score to the 2000 Columbia Pictures/Centropolis film The Patriot. Throughout Williams' long and treasured career he had developed a fresh, Americana voice, first coming to the fore in his 1969 score to The Reivers, then furthered a few years later with The Cowboys and quite powerfully in an unexpected place—-the Smallville sequences of Superman. It was a style that he would return to periodically and The Patriot provided a showcase for this style. The score involves three principal themes that correspond to protagonist Martin’s past, present, and future—the war trauma theme, the love theme and the patriot theme. As the themes weave throughout the score, Williams' beloved epic style is on full display, as well as exciting action music. It's all here in this lengthy and powerful work.

Williams wrote his score for The Patriot over the course of about two months, a length of time he described as “fairly generous.” He then recorded the score over eight sessions between May 6 and May 20, 2000. For this expanded 3-CD set, producer Mike Matessino took a meticulous approach to restoring the score for full presentation as well as preserving the unique and artistic presentation of the original Hollywood Records album. As Matessino writes in in his producer’s note:

For this presentation, Sony Pictures transferred the Genex digital back-up 8-channel multiple optical disk (MOD) cartridges, which preserved Shawn Murphy’s SDDS mixes. Performance edits were recreated, and the two-channel stereo mix-down process precisely followed what was done for the original soundtrack album. Carefull attention was paid to the shortcomings that Murphy had originally noted in 2000,specifically to how SDDS’s two additional front channels could compromise audio clarity and breadth of the stereo mix. The entire presentation was monitored in this regard so that the end result would preserve all of the subtlety and dynamic power of the original recording.

The 24-page booklet includes detailed notes on film and score by John Takis and features a cover design by Stéphane Coëdel.

The film is a historical war drama set during the American Revolutionary War. It follows Benjamin Martin, a South Carolina farmer and war hero turned pacifist, who is reluctantly drawn into the fight for independence after a brutal attack by British forces claims the life of his son. As he leads a militia against the British, Martin grapples with personal loss, revenge, and his duty to his family and country. Starring Mel Gibson and Heath Ledger, the film blends intense battle sequences with emotional drama


CD 1 SCORE PRESENTATION

01. The Family Farm (The Patriot Main Title) (3:03)
02. The North Star (1:58)
03. To Charleston (2:14)
04. Addressing The Assembly (2:45)
05. The Defeat At Charleston (3:08)
06. Walking Among The Fallen (1:21)
07. Redcoats In The Cornfield (1:22)
08. The Death Of Thomas (4:14)
09. The First Ambush (3:17)
10. Martin Leaves The Family (3:11)
11. Reading The War Map (1:35)
12. Colonel And Corporal (1:52)
13. Ann Recruits The Parishioners (3:08)
14. Rough Fighter Recruited (1:41)
15. Villeneuve’s Training (1:33)
16. Ann And Gabriel (Extended Version) (4:45)
17. Tavington’s Ambush And Remembering The Wilderness (4:11)
18. Martin To The Stockade (1:31)
19. Tavington Vs. Martin (1:54)
20. The Burning Of The Plantation (Film Version) (5:06)
21. To Gullah Maroon (1:46)
22. Burnt-Out House/Susan And Father (2:27)
23. The Wedding (1:33)
24. Susan Speaks (3:15)
25. The Parisians Return (1:34)
26. The Parish Church Aflame (Film Version) (3:10)
27. The Burnt-Out Church (1:21)
28. Gabriel’s Last Fight (2:33)
29. Mortally Wounded (2:30)

CD 1 Total Time: 75:24

CD 2 SCORE PRESENTATION (Continued)


01. Death Of Gabriel (4:18)
02. Martin Rejoins The Troops (1:13)
03. Preparing For Battle (Film Version) (3:48)
04. Tavington’s Premature Charge (0:50)
05. Martin Sets The Trap (2:14)
06. The British Counter-Attack (3:01)
07. Martin Vs. Tavington (Film Version) (3:22)
08. Yorktown And The Return Home (Film Version) (5:24)
09. The Patriot (End Titles) (7:43)

Total Time: 32:20
Total Score Presentation: 107:44

THE EXTRAS


10. The Family Farm (Alternate) (3:02)
11. Redcoats In The Cornfield (Alternate) (1:24)
12. The Death Of Thomas (Alternate) (4:21)
13. Rough Fighter Recruited (Alternate) (1:47)
14. To Gullah Maroon (Alternate) (1:17)
15. The Wedding (Alternate) (1:32)
16. The Patriot Returns (1:07)
17. Martin Sets The Trap (Alternate) (2:11)
18. Martin Vs. Tavington (Alternate Segment) (1:02)
19. Yorktown And The Return Home (Alternate Segment) (2:20)
20. The Patriot (Alternate) (6:30)

SOURCE MUSIC

21. The British Grenadiers (2:51)
22. Prince Eugene’s March (1:01)
23. Yankee Doodle (0:56)
24. Tavern Tune No. 1 (0:58)
25. Tavern Tune No. 2 (1:49)
26. Colonial Camp Tune (2:56)
27. Violin Concerto In E Major (Allegro Assai) (J.S. Bach) (2:49)
28. Ann’s Wedding Celebration (1:57)
29. The British Grenadiers And Battlefield Drums (1:33)

Total Extras and Source Music Time: 44:11
CD 2 Total Time: 76:36

CD 3 TRACKS 1-17: Remastered Original Soundtrack Album


01. The Patriot (06:42)
02. The Family Farm (03:04)
03. To Charleston (02:16)
04. The Colonial Cause (03:16)
05. Redcoats At The Farm And The Death Of Thomas (05:00)
06. Ann Recruits The Parishioners (03:09)
07. Preparing For Battle (05:50)
08. Ann And Gabriel (04:35)
09. The First Ambush And Remembering The Wilderness (04:00)
10. Tavington's Trap (04:10)
11. The Burning Of The Plantation (04:56)
12. Facing The British Lines (03:05)
13. The Parish Church Aflame (03:05)
14. Susan Speaks (03:17)
15. Martin Vs. Tavington (03:07)
16. Yorktown & The Return Home (05:20)
17. The Patriot Reprise (07:39)

CD 3 Total Time: 72:39

https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12982/.f?sc=13&category=-113

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Just WOW!!!
I love NEW or EXPANDED John Williams CDs.
Interesting to read about the recording/sound of the original release (which never really bothered me, but I have seen others complain about it...Spymaster for instance).
I look forward to hearing 107 minutes of FULL SCORE in a fuller/more expansive sound?
I hope the Alt's are quite different from their counterparts (I love it when a differing version is a complete whizz-bang to the known one).
I hope the Pacific is as blue as it has been in my dreams. I hope.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   maurizio.caschetto   (Member)

Question I have always had. I found this a good score but the movie was so simplistic it sort of outclasses it. Its just about mel's revenge with the war a backdrop. In the liner notes, it is mentioned the three thematic parts, past, present, and future. How do you see these as coalescing, instead of being separate things? does it ever tell the story in an integrated way like Born on the Fourth of July, in which the hero's emotional trauma and development is embedded in harmonic and theme motives and integrated into the main elegiac classical theme, all one forward wrap up? I always thought the Patriot score didnt bring the parts about the hero's guilt and hatred together with the family warmth together with the big war theme, they were just there at different scenes. I am fully aware I could be missing something just because I didn't like the movie. Does anyone have any musicological insights I am not hearing? Thanks.


Interesting questions. I think Williams accompanies the film in a pretty straightforward way, but as usual he's very conscious of the power of the music to enhance the subtext and therefore creating a deeper meaning for us when watching the film. In the case of The Patriot, he did focus on the main character by associating three different thematic/motivic ideas that come up at the right moments and develop throughout as storytelling devices. There are relations between them in their harmonic and melodic construction, but they tend to be used as separate ideas. The comparison to Born On The 4th Of July is an interesting one as there are some similarities in tone and approach when it comes to JW expressing the "war trauma" of the main character. There is also some elegiac string writing that may harken back to some of that score's identity.

I agree that the music does a much better job in telling the character's arc than the film itself does. As he often does, John Williams understands the film better than the filmmakers do and tells a more compelling story with his music.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I could never get interested in this score, though I love Williams and thought it would be right up my street. (I couldn't get very far into the film before turning it off.)

But I jumped on this immediately anyway, because I'm enjoying all these expansions. And now listening to the clips, I don't know what about the original release hasn't worked for me, because I am thrilled by what I'm hearing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

In regards to the alternate section of music; as well as the source cues – (if you don't know already) –
Our friend Mike Matessino has posted online for us something special at – ‘The Legacy Of John Williams’.

The link can be found here: https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2025/01/17/exclusive-preview-the-patriot/

You will need to scroll down to the bottom; but unfortunately; when you find the information;
it doesn’t give you the details of the track names; only the tracks which are numbered accordingly:

CD 2: — 10 – 23 – 22 – 21 – 11 – 12 – 24 – 25 – 13 – 26 – 27 – 14 – 15 – 28 – 16 – 29 – 17 – 18 – 19 – 20

So I have gone to the trouble of expanding it; so that I can read the track names as well; rather than just the numbered cues.
I sincerely appreciate the share Mike! Many Thanks!

To make this easier for myself; as well as the fanbase…
I have decided to make a bolder / clearer text; of the – ‘Alternate Custom Playlist’ –

I hope this makes it a lot easier for everyone; as it does helped me out immensely; as I am a huge fan of this score – (and film).

Program your stereos likewise – when you play Disc #2 – for the source music and alternate cues to flow better:

(Edited)

10. The Family Farm (Alternate) • 3:02
23. Yankee Doodle • 0:56
22. Prince Eugene’s March • 1:01
21. The British Grenadiers • 2:51
11. Redcoats In The Cornfield (Alternate) • 1:24
12. The Death Of Thomas (Alternate) • 4:21
24. Tavern Tune No. 1 • 0:58
25. Tavern Tune No. 2 • 1:49
13. Rough Fighter Recruited (Alternate) • 1:47
26. Colonial Camp Tune • 2:56
27. Violin Concerto In E Major (Allegro Assai) (J.S. Bach) • 2:49
14. To Gullah Maroon (Alternate) • 1:17
15. The Wedding (Alternate) • 1:32
28. Ann’s Wedding Celebration • 1:57
16. The Patriot Returns • 1:07
29. The British Grenadiers And Battlefield Drums • 1:33
17. Martin Sets The Trap (Alternate) • 2:11
18. Martin Vs. Tavington (Alternate Segment) • 1:02
19. Yorktown And The Return Home (Alternate Segment) • 2:20
20. The Patriot (Alternate) • 6:30

Thanks Wedge... I appreciate the feedback... My printout was incorrect; which is where I was working from!


 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2025 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

I'm afraid your numbering is slightly off, Reeve! There are only 29 tracks on Disc 2, and Mike's suggested playlist corresponds to the track titles as follows:

10. The Family Farm (Alternate) • 3:02
23. Yankee Doodle • 0:56
22. Prince Eugene’s March • 1:01
21. The British Grenadiers • 2:51
11. Redcoats In The Cornfield (Alternate) • 1:24
12. The Death Of Thomas (Alternate) • 4:21
24. Tavern Tune No. 1 • 0:58
25. Tavern Tune No. 2 • 1:49
13. Rough Fighter Recruited (Alternate) • 1:47
26. Colonial Camp Tune • 2:56
27. Violin Concerto In E Major (Allegro Assai) (J.S. Bach) • 2:49
14. To Gullah Maroon (Alternate) • 1:17
15. The Wedding (Alternate) • 1:32
28. Ann’s Wedding Celebration • 1:57
16. The Patriot Returns • 1:07
29. The British Grenadiers And Battlefield Drums • 1:33
17. Martin Sets The Trap (Alternate) • 2:11
18. Martin Vs. Tavington (Alternate Segment) • 1:02
19. Yorktown And The Return Home (Alternate Segment) • 2:20
20. The Patriot (Alternate) • 6:30

 
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