I'd like to listen to them all. Just please give us everything in no particular order! I just hope the powers that be won't just sit on these titles for decades. Get these gems preserved asap. Time won't be kind to these elements. Get them while you can!
In fact, it's such a good suggestion I added it to my first post in that thread, but if you want to bump it with your own post please do so.
I'd like to listen to them all. Just please give us everything in no particular order! I just hope the powers that be won't just sit on these titles for decades. Get these gems preserved asap. Time won't be kind to these elements. Get them while you can!
So...you say "in no particular order", which doesn't help me in terms of a top 10 ranked choice. But if you want to have a vote in this, should I perhaps rank your priorities as Chris Malone's? (That is, he wanted to prioritize in order of age, because he expressed a similar concern about preservation as you did, and the matter of older elements deteriorating.)
L.A. Confidential is a no-brainer to me. The score in the film is so much better than the album version.
Anything else, after that top priority?
Anyone else want to register a vote? I'll probably do a new (final for now?) tally on Monday, so let your voice be heard!
1. Mephisto Waltz 2. The Other 3. Hollow Man 4a Leviathan ( Is this Under Varese Control?) 4. Damien Omen II 5. The 13th Warrior 6 Medicine Man 7. Timeline 8. Matinee 9.. Along Came A Spider 10. Mom And Dad Save The World.
2. The Other - not familiar with this one, but all of the praise makes me curious.
Please check it out! It's a wonderful score, which Jerry wrote for the director of To Kill a Mockingbird (and I think I hear a bit of kinship with that amazing Bernstein score):
Sadly that Main Title is the only bit of the score I can find on YouTube, but it gives you a flavor of the score: beautiful, with a tinge of danger/threat. If you're interested in hearing another great cue of the score in film context of course, I found a clip here:
6. The 13th Warrior - really like this one, so 18 more minutes wouldn't hurt. Even better if they'd throw in Revell's unused score. I'd be interested to hear that one.
I really like it. In some ways it's more interesting than Goldsmith's score because it's a bit more exotic in its sound and less "traditional". I'm a fan of both scores though they are very different, and I'm not usually big on Revell.
7. L.A. Confidential - not sure how much unreleased material there is, but this is a good score.
I think about half is unreleased, judging from the isolated score track on DVD.
9. Matinee - I am quite satisfied with the original album, but it would be nice to see all the Dante scores expanded.
There's actually quite a bit missing from this! Did you check out the unreleased cue Roger posted?
10. Our Man Flint / In Like Flint - they were released together before, so they can round out my top 10 together.
Ok but once again including 11 scores in your top 10 presents a dilemma for me in terms of how to award points in the ranked choice system. 10th place would garner a single point, so do I give each of those scores only half of a point? Is there one of them you like better? (For me it's the original Our Man Flint, because I love the main theme and all its variations, while In Like Flint has an awful lot of the Your Zowie Face theme developed throughout it which I don't like nearly as much.)
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I have the complete score from the other with a better sound than the varese edition,but frankly the additional cues don't bring anything particularly esential,i find the score even a little dull in complete form,the varese edition contain the best cues.Am not a collector nor a fan boy so i don't want complete score at any price.
1. Mephisto Waltz 2. The Other 3. Hollow Man 4a Leviathan ( Is this Under Varese Control?) 4. Damien Omen II 5. The 13th Warrior 6 Medicine Man 7. Timeline 8. Matinee 9.. Along Came A Spider 10. Mom And Dad Save The World.
Nice top ten; thanks for contributing! Leviathan is indeed not under Varese control as confirmed by them on FB a few years back, so thanks for providing an alternate for #4 on your list!
As far as I'm aware Damien Omen 2 is the complete score. But I'm sure it could use a well deserved sonic upgrade from Mike & co. Just compare the volume of the brass hits at the beginning of the end title to the levels they appear in the film.
As far as I'm aware Damien Omen 2 is the complete score. But I'm sure it could use a well deserved sonic upgrade from Mike & co. Just compare the volume of the brass hits at the beginning of the end title to the levels they appear in the film.
Yup! Quoting from my original post here: “Damien: Omen II (1978) -- The Varese Deluxe Edition was the only one of the trilogy that included the complete score, but sadly the film recording had inferior sound quality and even was outright damaged in a couple places. I've added this to the poll because many people have expressed a desire for Michael Mattesino (or perhaps Chris Malone, the wizard who rescued Take Her, She's Mine?) to tackle the tapes with current sound restoration tools.”
Good one, Bondo! And I share your desire for Joel McNeely expansions from Varese, especially the Goldsmithian action scores he did like Soldier and Terminal Velocity...
That said I'm keeping this poll strictly to Goldsmith...Jerry Goldsmith (sorry, other Joel).
In celebration of the news of another imminent Varese Club batch, here is an UPDATED TALLY -- first place remains solidly the same, but there are plenty of other changes to the ranking, so the handful of new people voting certainly made a difference, with Hollow Man making a particularly notable leap from 8th to 5th place!
1. The Other (1972) - 159 points, 21 votes, 6 first choice votes 2. The Mephisto Waltz (1971) - 133 points, 18 votes, 5 first choice votes 3. Love Field (1991) - 118 points, 17 votes, 4 first choice votes 4. The 13th Warrior (1999) - 117 points, 17 votes, 3 first choice votes 5. Hollow Man (2000) - 98 points, 13 votes, 5 first choice votes 6. Our Man Flint (1966) - 88 points, 12 votes, 3 first choice votes 7. Matinee (1993) - 87 points, 14 votes, 2 first choice votes 8. Rudy (1993) - 79 points, 10 votes, 5 first choice votes 9. L.A. Confidential (1997) - 78 points, 10 votes, 3 first choice votes 10. In Like Flint (1967) - 76 points, 12 votes, 0 first choice votes 11. Medicine Man (1992) - 72 points, 14 votes, 1 first choice vote 12. Mom and Dad Save the World (1991) - 64 points, 12 votes, 1 first choice vote 13. Along Came a Spider (2001) - 62 points, 8 votes, 3 first choice votes 14. Timeline (2003) - 59 points, 11 votes, 1 first choice vote 15. Looney Tunes: Back in Action (2003) - 59 points, 10 votes, 1 first choice vote 16. City Hall (1996) - 48 points, 8 votes, 1 first choice vote 17. Damien: Omen II (1978) - 45 points, 7 votes, 0 first choice votes 18. The Ballad of Cable Hogue (1970) - 41 points, 5 votes, 2 first choice votes 19. Raggedy Man (1981) - 25 points, 4 votes, 1 first choice vote 20. Malice (1993) - 7 points, 3 votes, 0 first choice votes 21. Angie (1994) - 6 points, 2 votes, 0 first choice votes 22. Mr. Baseball (1992) - 5 points, 2 votes, 0 first choice votes
For those interested, here's the new ranking of the top ten scores by pure number of votes (i.e. no ranked choice): 1. The Other (1972) - 21 votes 2. The Mephisto Waltz (1971) - 18 votes 3. TIE with 17 votes each: Love Field (1991) and The 13th Warrior (1999) 4. TIE with 14 votes each: Matinee (1993) and Medicine Man (1992) 5. Hollow Man (2000) - 13 votes 6. THREE WAY TIE with 12 votes each: Our Man Flint (1966), In Like Flint (1967), and Mom and Dad Save the World (1991)
Finally, if limiting folks to only ONE desired title, here are all the titles which received more than a single (first choice) vote: 1. The Other (six "first picks") 2. The Mephisto Waltz / Hollow Man / Rudy (five "first picks" each) 3. Love Field (four "first picks") 4. The 13th Warrior / Our Man Flint / L.A. Confidential / Along Came A Spider (three "first picks" each) 5. Matinee / The Ballad of Cable Hogue (two "first picks" each)
But this isn't really about "first choices", because it's supposed to aid Varese in selecting what to prioritize next. From that perspective, I think if a person included a score in their top ten choices here, they would be likely to buy a new expanded edition of that title, and their vote is useful to know about even if it's their 10th choice.
Why is "The Chairman" not included here? Varese got hold of enough of it (in better sound than elsewhere) to make a 13-minute suite in their Goldsmith at Fox set. Where's the rest of it?
The reasons The Chairman are not in this thread are twofold:
a) As with everything else premiered as new music on their Goldsmith at Fox box set, Varese did not get rights in perpetuity and they have no control over those titles (if tapes exist they can come from anywhere, as many of them ultimately have in improved/expanded editions from Intrada and LLL).
b) Unfortunately it’s been pretty much confirmed at this point that tapes do NOT exist for the full score. There’s been speculation that the suite Varese made from a mono tape source is all that survived from that source, and alas it only included one single 51-second cue which was “new” compared to the existing stereo album program. When the Twilight Time Blu-ray of the film came out a few years ago, it included as usual an isolated score track, but alas for almost all of the great previously-unreleased music there, it had to be included from a music & effects source… and alas the effects are VERY intrusive (maybe not *quite* as bad as the Twilight Time iso M&E tracks for Under Fire or Hour of the Gun, but still pretty bad… and the worst of it is a lot of background Chinese dialogue was included on that track too, over some pretty great music!) Another complication is that some cues in the film (and therefore on the iso M&E track) are awkwardly edited and truncated, not playing for the full duration of Goldsmith’s composition. This is why Tadlow and Prometheus had to pass on their hopeful new recording plans utilizing a by-ear reconstruction of the score. (Fox apparently wouldn’t grant them access to the original written scores for whatever reason.)
That said, there is still hope for a complete edition of The Chairman someday. The complete written score survives as sketches in the Margaret Herrick Library, which provided the written score to Intrada for Black Patch just this past year… presumably if Intrada was interested to tackle The Chairman for a future new recording project, someone at the Herrick could again photocopy the written music for them, facilitating a complete new recording of this Goldsmith masterpiece.
It would be great if the existing material for The Chairman could get released anyway. The album has long been out of print, so why not re-release that in remastered form. Maybe La-La Land will do so as part of their Goldsmith at 20th series (fingers crossed).
I loved the suite Tadlow recorded for their The Blue Max album, very stirring and interesting music. So a new complete recording would also be more than welcome!
And I share your desire for Joel McNeely expansions from Varese, especially the Goldsmithian action scores he did like Soldier and Terminal Velocity...
