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 Posted:   Jan 18, 2023 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

So one more version. Here is actual sales volume of physical media and downloads in the same period. Note that in recent years, still in 2021, downloads (lavender) win.

Aargh! The image is cut off, but trust me, sales volume for downloads is more than 60% of the total in 2021.

Again, you can see the full chart here (scroll down a bit):

 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Just adding the uncut version.

 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 6:05 AM   
 By:   Phil567   (Member)

Just adding the uncut version.

Is it really possible to buy a brand new 8 track player today?

 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Is it really possible to buy a brand new 8 track player today?

I doubt anyone is still manufacturing 8-track players, but you can obviously find them used and/or refurbished. Though 8track tapes haven't had any relevance on the market for a long time. Not sure why you are asking the question in the context of these stats? In the statistics here, they all but disappeared in 1982. I remember the first time I ever saw an 8 Track Player was when Charlton Heston put an 8 Track tape of Max Steiner's A SUMMER PLACE into his car player.

 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

"But here’s an even more ominous sign. Half of vinyl buyers don’t own a record player. They apparently bought the Taylor Swift album as a kind of memorabilia—something a little nicer than a band T-shirt.

I've been telling people this for years. I KNEW this was why young people were buying vinyl.

 Posted:   Aug 18, 2023 - 1:58 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

This post is just an expansion (hehehe) for a reply I originally made in the "Indiana Jones 5 - Physical Album Discussion", so if you read it there and think this sounds familiar, yes, it's basically the same post; it was appropriate there in context, but I want to add to it and not derail the thread that should be about Indy 5, so I (re-)post this here.

The classic record labels certainly had NO interest in the disappearance of CDs in favor of streaming. Because it brought new players on the market (streaming services) who take a big piece of the cake. Record labels would have loved to continue to sell CDs, or downloads. Intrada for example offers some of their own recordings on streaming services. I bet they don't make nearly as much on streaming as they did when they sold the CDs. I know Hyperion considered the streaming business so bad for them, they all but abandoned it. (You can buy CDs or downloads directly from them.) Fact is, apart from places like this niche place, I practically don't know anybody who buys or wants to buy CDs anymore. Even friends/colleagues of mine who are big music lovers have gone full streaming ("Everything is available there") and abandoned physical media (or even having their own collection of files) years ago.

I saw what was once the literally (by its own words) largest record store in the world (the Saturn Music Dome in Cologne) go from having several floors of CDs (including two entire floors reserved for the classical music selection) down to just a couple of shelves a block away. Where there was once that store, there is now a gaming paradise (by the same company). Why? Because CDs did not sell anymore. In a store like that, you have to count how much revenue do you make per square meter/feet, and you can't have vast amounts of room for merchandise no one buys. Apart from the fact that fewer and fewer CDs are released.

I just came across an offer for an old catalog from Cologne's Saturn Record Store:

[b[Die größte Schallplatten-Schau der Welt (The largest Record-Show of the World)

It's from 1982, which is interesting, as that was the year I really started to collect film scores (and wanted to become a filmmaker). Many of my early soundtrack LPs, such as Brainstorm, Gorky Park, Boys from Brazil, The Great Train Robbery, etc. were bought there. The store was so large, you usually went in there with paper and pen, and made notes which records you really wanted to buy, because you couldn't just carry them all around. And later they switched to CDs. I bought many CDs there, and even when it became fashionable to order online, could still just go to the store and pick up most recordings. They even had stuff like La-La Land's John Williams Harry Potter Box, or Intrada's 3CD set of Conan the Barbarian.
But over the years, the space devoted to CDs shrunk, and in the summer of 2020, this former Mekka of record collectors basically ceased to exist, now there is "Xperion" in its place, a gaming temple.

I don't need this catalog, but it's obviously a nostalgic relict from long gone by days.ücher/Saturn+Die-größte-Schallplatten-Schau-der-Welt/id/A02k46pf01ZZ3

But the days for physical media are coming to an end. Hardly anybody buys CDs anymore (I know we do), and now it seems Blurays etc. will go the same way. I find this more problematic with movies, because while I can buy music digitally online, I cannot do the same with movies. They are usually DRM tied to apps and companies, so it's pointless to build a large collection because it can just be taken away again or edited. No, thanks.

The resurgence of vinyl seems only large because CD sales have shrunk so much. Last time I checked, CD sales were down something like 97%! That's a lot. So it's actually amazing our boutique labels continue to exist and make quality products. Why? Because there are die hard collectors here who collect CDs for decades as a primary hobby and who want to continue to do that. And that's fine and great, but the rest of the world has pretty much moved on. Most people start buying music in their teens or at least when they are still young, but today's teens don't buy music anymore. At all. They just use streaming and that's it. And let's face it, unlike vinyl (which offers a unique experience and a mechanical way to listen to music), a CD doesn't really have anything to offer that streaming (or digital downloads) don't offer in a more efficient way. When you play a ALAC/FLAC, you play the exact same bits and bytes as when you play a CD, you get exactly the same sound, just with more convenience. Often (but not always) with a booklet as PDF. I know there are people here who value the physical aspect of collecting something, and they want something to put in their shelf, and that's fine. But that's probably because they started doing that years ago and now want to continue. There is no new generation of CD collectors coming after us.

 Posted:   Aug 18, 2023 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I'm in the camp that still likes CDs, especially for important titles, but two things have happened to dampen that.

• We've enjoyed a 20-year avalanche of vintage film music, and I now own almost everything I ever loved.

• Over the past three years or so, I've picked up over a hundred old CDs at a thrift store for a dollar each. While the value has been amazing, I'm starting to notice that CDs take up a lot of space once you own too many. And they aren't much use once you've got them ripped. I can't remember the last time I actually played a CD.

But my collector's psychology makes it very hard to part with any of them. The obvious solution has been to stop going to the thrift store. I don't "need" anything, and I've run out of places to put more CDs.

I will still buy a few super-grails if they are ever released on CD, but that's it. I like those silvery discs sentimentally, but barring a grail coming out, I'm kind of done.

 Posted:   Aug 18, 2023 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I will still buy a few super-grails if they are ever released on CD, but that's it. I like those silvery discs sentimentally, but barring a grail coming out, I'm kind of done.

Oh, yes, I know exactly what you mean and I can relate to your entire post. Over the years, I've got quite a few CDs. I remember when I first started to collect CDs, I envisioned myself one day having a considerable library filled with classical music and film scores by my favorite composer. Well, that one day has come.... And over the years, I do have not all, but almost all the film scores I ever wanted. If there is a sudden "whow" release I don't have, yes, I pick that up (like Intrada's recent INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS and DEADLY BLESSING, I had to have those), but many film score recordings that are released now I already have. Many of the remasters are not really "improvements" but merely have a different emphasis. It's great when they are all released, but I don't need five different sounding recordings of XYZ. So I tend not to buy those anymore either, unless absolutely (deemed by me) "necessary".

But by and large, I pretty much have most of the film scores I ever wanted, and shelf space is limited. I still buy a lot of music (also as digital download if it's lossless/high-res), but that's mostly jazz and classical recordings.

 Posted:   Aug 18, 2023 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   MichaelM   (Member)

Interestingly enough, one format that has been pronounced dead for 20 years now but keeps hanging on is SACD.

In the past 18 months, half of the few new physical media discs I bought were SACDs: Chandos' HOLLYWOOD SOUNDSTAGE, Dutton's new recording of 49th PARALLEL and reissue of Gerhardt's STAR WARS/CLOSE ENCOUNTERS album, Film Fest Ghent's RYUICHI SAKAMOTO: MUSIC FOR FILM and a Japanese import of Williams' BERLIN CONCERT.

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