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Great. Now nobody needs to buy the CD because somebody's leaked the whole score.
That's the last time Eon or Universal trusts James Bond fan site reviewers.
Cheers
Yes, someone has taken advantage of the privilege of receiving advance links of the score for review purposes.
Pretty pathetic
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Demo version of Eilish's song - with one verse more - will be released on limited 7" LP on November 26, 2021.
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No download, no sale
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No CD = No sale
Download?  YouTube & Spotife are for free.
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I totally agree with you, but be careful, otherwise the Church of Barryology will want you burned at the stake for “lying” about your opinion. And you need to respect that because they know so much more about movie music than mere plebeians like you and me.
Avenger, grow up.
Honestly, I don't care whether other people like Barry's music or not, but it's pretty immature to come on a film score board shooting insults at people for being fans of one of the most popular film composers out there.
If it triggers you that some people love Barry's music, go and speak to someone, but please quit it with the petty insults.
Cheers
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I never thought any of the Barry Bond scores were remotely similar beyond the "Barry Sound", whatever that might be. Same with the Arnolds.
Oddly enough, I think Thomas Newman's two Bond scores are pretty interchangeable. I only rewatched SPECTRE the other week but if you played me random cues from that and Skyfall I don't think I could correctly place them more accurately than blind chance.
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I'm puzzled by the idea it damns a composer that a cue they wrote or a style of music they use in one film could be imagined in another.
Cues from one Star Trek film could easily transpose to another Star Trek film and, guess what, they did.
Cues from one Star Wars film could easily transpose to another Star Wars film and, guess what, they did.
Cues from one Omen film could easily transpose to another Omen film and, guess what, they did.
In fact, compared to these examples, the Bond scores actually do more than most franchises to provide scores that are individual to the film, by strongly working with a theme or themes specific to that film.
On a side note, I remember watching two Goldsmith scored Westerns back to back once and Mrs. W, not an aficionado, said to me, "Why do these two films have the same music?"
Then again, Mrs. W also asks me why Superman uses the same music as Star Wars.
Of course, they don't, but it's an illusion easily fallen for by non aficianados, to mistake the distinctive stylistic signature of those composers as sameness.
Many people in the UK still think the music in The Omen was "the Old Spice music". (Carmina Burana.)
These things do sound same-ish to the non-aficianado.
In fact, when somebody says to me Moonraker sounds like Out of Africa, or Star Wars sounds like Superman, or two Goldsmith scored Westerns sound the same, my conclusion is they've only taken a cursory glance.
It's like saying all people from a certain country look the same, a shocking thing people used to say, which is only possible when people only see general features and not details.
Of course, on an individual cue level, a cue from, say, Moonraker, could, as long as it doesn't reference any fragment of the theme, easily be imagined in, say, Octopussy. So what?
If we're trying to damn composers for their music being imaginable in other similar films, we're going to end up damning everybody.
Cheers
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Tall Guy
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I totally agree with you, but be careful, otherwise the Church of Barryology will want you burned at the stake for “lying” about your opinion. And you need to respect that because they know so much more about movie music than mere plebeians like you and me.
Avenger, grow up.
Honestly, I don't care whether other people like Barry's music or not, but it's pretty immature to come on a film score board shooting insults at people for being fans of one of the most popular film composers out there.
If it triggers you that some people love Barry's music, go and speak to someone, but please quit it with the petty insults.
Cheers
I think The Avenger was lashing out at the implication of being called a liar. I’d say that it seemed to me he might have been wilfully provocative with the idea that the Barry 007 scores are interchangeable. As I’ve said many times here, the brilliance of the scores is that they do live marvellously well with the individual films yet retain an over-arching grip on the series.
The eastern European inflections of FRWL
The metallic lustre of Goldfinger
The underwater tension of Thunderball
YOLT’s far-eastern instrumentation
The Alpine open-air of OHMSS
The brittle glitter of Diamonds Are Forever
etc
You could argue that his Roger Moore scores start to converge towards the end but only in comparison with the earlier ones. Moonraker is still very different to AVTAK and Octopussy even if the instrumentation is similar in some respects. Then he takes TLD and comes up with something different again.
All opinion is subjective, but in film music the nearest thing that there is to an objective fact might be that John Barry’s James Bond scores aren’t interchangeable.
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TheAvenger is lashing out because many called out his opinion as not fact-based.
If he thinks Barry‘s Bond scores are interchangeable he needs to check his hearing.
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TheAvenger is lashing out because many called out his opinion as not fact-based.
If he thinks Barry‘s Bond scores are interchangeable he needs to check his hearing.
An “opinion” doesn’t have to be “fact based”, genius . Are you really that stupid that you don’t know this? Let me illustrate - I do not know if it is a FACT that you are an uneducated moron, but it is my OPINION that you might be given the drivel you post.
Now, you disagree with me about Barry’s Bond music. That’s fine, I totally respect your opinion (To be clear, I don’t respect you at all but I do respect that everyone is entitled to their own opinion - even unevolved troglodytes like you ). But clearly you don’t respect any opinion contrary to your own.
PS My hearing is fine thanks.
You made your points too many times, and you apparently enjoy insulting everyone.
Which makes you a troll. Calling you to stop will only encourage you to lash out at everyone again and again.
Therefore I ask the mods to intervene.
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Don’t lecture me. I was insulting certain specific people - one in particular who called me a liar because of the view I expressed about some of Barry’s Bond music.
That was me, Mr Troll. The name's Watteau. Laurent Watteau.
So you're admitting you're insulting people... naughty boy !
Definition 1 : A liar is a person who tells lies ;
Definition 2 : A lie is "something you say that you know is not true" or "to say something that is not true in order to deceive" (Cambridge Dictionary)
So obviously I did not exaggerate my words.
Granted, maybe you don't know what is true or not... you're just ignorant, it's not your fault, and it can happen to anyone.
Either way, you have to be a liar or a lunatic to say that John Barry's scores to the James Bond movies are interchangeable. This is simply wrong, unless you are living in the post-truth. Or maybe your ears live in a topological space with the trivial topology? This could explain what is preventing you from distinguishing one score from another.
Now I have nothing more to add on this subject, so - unless I am attacked - I will remain silent. I have much better things to do. I don't want to become a troll myself, and hijack the discussion thread about Hans Zimmer's music to NO TIME TO DIE.
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