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 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Julian K   (Member)

A suite from John Barry's Raise The Titanic will be featured on the forthcoming UK Blu-ray release from Network:

http://networkonair.com/shop/1947-raise-the-titanic-5027626707040.html

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Very nice.

We know the complete original masters of the score are lost, but there are segments of the score available, which I believe come from the music and effects track that we know to survive. There are some cues you can get clean from that.

I'm therefore presuming the suite is therefore what could be extracted from the music and effects track.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Julian K   (Member)

I'm therefore presuming the suite is therefore what could be extracted from the music and effects track.

I think that's probably a safe assumption, Stephen, but Network have a record of turning up things that fans think no longer exist, so fingers crossed!

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 10:52 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

It must be something special to be featured so prominently on the cover like that. A real selling point.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   SCOREMIX   (Member)

This is one of the most interesting gems of John Barrys work smile........A Suite from the Original Score is better than nothing ......it's sad that the original masters are lost but never say never......perhaps some day they still will be discovered........hope dies at last smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 2:40 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

This is one of the most interesting gems of John Barrys work smile........A Suite from the Original Score is better than nothing ......it's sad that the original masters are lost but never say never......perhaps some day they still will be discovered........hope dies at last smile

But at least you did have a new, complete recording available for rhe past 20 years.... some people are just never happy!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 2:40 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

This is one of the most interesting gems of John Barrys work smile........A Suite from the Original Score is better than nothing ......it's sad that the original masters are lost but never say never......perhaps some day they still will be discovered........hope dies at last smile

But at least you did have a new, complete recording available for the past 20 years.... some people are just never happy!

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Some people are only happy with the original recording James, to the extent they won't buy a rerecording. Me, I love that rerecording of 'Raise The Titanic', it's hard to believe even the original could be any better!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 2:52 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Some people are only happy with the original recording James, to the extent they won't buy a rerecording. Me, I love that rerecording of 'Raise The Titanic', it's hard to believe even the original could be any better!

I really do feel sad for those so obsessed that they will only ever listen to the supposed "original"...they are missing out on the whole point of music, that being the joy of discovering fresh and different interpretations of the same piece. I do not know of any composer who would not feel elated at the prospect of any of their colleagues and fellow musicians wanting to record/re-record/re-live their music.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 3:28 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Some people are only happy with the original recording James, to the extent they won't buy a rerecording. Me, I love that rerecording of 'Raise The Titanic', it's hard to believe even the original could be any better!

I really do feel sad for those so obsessed that they will only ever listen to the supposed "original"...they are missing out on the whole point of music, that being the joy of discovering fresh and different interpretations of the same piece. I do not know of any composer who would not feel elated at the prospect of any of their colleagues and fellow musicians wanting to record/re-record/re-live their music.



One of the great pleasures of youtube, apart from watching stupid people in fail compilations, is getting the chance to hear the different interpretations of wonderful music by talented conductors who clearly love the source material. In the main I'm referring to concert hall music, but the re-recording of Raise the Titanic is a great example of this principle. I'd still buy the original if by some miracle it came available, for the same reason that I love archival recordings of Shostakovich music made with his approval. He didn't conduct them himself but ensured that they reflected his vision.

Nonetheless it would be folly to ignore what Dudamel, Gergiev and others can do with it.

For me, both the originals and new versions are critical and while I have little interest in most of the recent film score re-recordings myself I'm delighted that there seems to be a growing market for them. Every so often one will come around that will be right up my street, and RtT was one such.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   SCOREMIX   (Member)

The new recording of John Barry's Raise The Titanic is fantastic and they have done a very good job in reconstructing this magnificant score smile As the original masters are lost this is the best for us all to hear this gem smile I would also like to hear the original recording but if its lost it must be accepted that way. But sometimes there are certain miracles.......

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I remember getting the theme from this movie on a rare Lp in the early 80's which also had other rare themes from scores then never got released on LP. It didn't have the greatest sound quality but it was good enough to enjoy the beauty of the theme from John. As I played it one night way back then, my Dad started humming away. Even if you were not interested too much in this field, John's melody line was and is hard to ignore.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

TO TALL GUY- There are some beautiful piano renditions by very talented people who do themes from films all the time on YOU TUBE. Yes YOU TUBE offers much.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

TO TALL GUY- There are some beautiful piano renditions by very talented people who do themes from films all the time on YOU TUBE. Yes YOU TUBE offers much.


It do, Dan, it do.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

The 'new' (16 years old!) recording of RAISE THE TITANIC is excellent and anyone who loves this tremendous score should get it.

Seriously, don't knock it.

Does that mean one cannot tell the difference between this and the film recording in a blindfold 'Pepsi challenge' test?

No, you can.

And it's not just because the sonics are understandably SUPERIOR in the new recording.

The new recording sounds cleaner and clearer. The original sounds a bit murky in the underwater cues, although it has occurred to me that could be a deliberate creative choice given this action takes place in murky waters.

I think there is also just a subtle difference in mix, at least in the underwater cues in that the film recording seems to be more "bass-heavy" the new recording (if you listen to 'Gene Explores The Titanic' and also the opening notes of the Main Title, I think you'll find the original recording has 'thicker', more prominent bass notes). I don't know whether that's something in the mix or whether they loaded some reverb in the original, I don't know. And there are just one or two little places where my ears pick up some very minor difference in transcription, like maybe I hear a split note in one and not the other, but those are minor.

So, sure, you can hear a little interpretive difference.

BUT THIS IS BASICALLY A VERY SOLID RECORDING.

Buy it, it's good.

As has been said above, good music stands up to multiple recordings and multiple interpretations. I'd love to get the original film recording too, because I like John Barry's own interpretation, but that takes nothing away from James' excellent recording, WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN FULL RIGHT NOW!

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

I accept that I've never been a Barry fan but the adulation this score seems to get just mystifies me. It just seems a very typical by-the-numbers Barry score which sounds like an identikit homage to loads of his other scores.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

You might as well say you can't understand the adulation because it's yet another John Barry score that sounds like it's in the style of John Barry. And therefore we can't understand the adulation for scores like Somewhere In Time or Out Of Africa, either.

Maybe it's because it's a score in the style of John Barry that some people like it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I love it when John Barry scores in the style of John Barry smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2014 - 12:51 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I accept that I've never been a Barry fan but the adulation this score seems to get just mystifies me. It just seems a very typical by-the-numbers Barry score which sounds like an identikit homage to loads of his other scores.


Mike, pal, seriously - get your Jag back to the dealer, because I think you've got exhaust fumes leaking into the cockpit... smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2014 - 1:51 AM   
 By:   laurent   (Member)

The new recording of John Barry's Raise The Titanic is fantastic and they have done a very good job in reconstructing this magnificant score smile As the original masters are lost this is the best for us all to hear this gem smile I would also like to hear the original recording but if its lost it must be accepted that way. But sometimes there are certain miracles.......

a great miracle !

 
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