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 Posted:   May 14, 2014 - 2:58 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

In preparation for McNeely's upcoming A MILLION WAYS TO DIE IN THE WEST, I've been going back and listening to all of his major scores. One such score is SOLDIER (1998), a Kurt Russell scifi action movie that was pretty much a flop. I always enjoyed the hell out of the brutally aggressive score though, and it still holds up well today!

After a little internet digging, I came upon an interview with McNeely that said:

"The story behind here was that for Varèse's production reasons the CD needed to be mastered before the score was finished. We actually had another two weeks of recording beyond when the CD was mastered. So, most of the best music in the score hadn't been recorded yet.

When it came time to put together the CD for the score it was not what I wanted at all, and it wound up being not a very good listen, kind of aggressive and unpleasant. There was some really more beautiful and intimate sweeping music. So, that was pity for all of us. I wish I could take these things back.

There's also the fact that re-issue fees were very high at the time and they had to keep it under half an hour. Anyhow, I'm sure that Bob would have worked that out had we had that extra music. There's an end credits suite that's the best thing of the score and, unfortunately, it's not on the record. Actually, in my opinion all of the best score is not on the record. So, yes, it's very frustrating."

(http://www.bsospirit.com/entrevistas/joelmcneely_e.php)

This is one of those 90s Varese titles that severely needs a deluxe release! Thankfully McNeely was awesome enough to post several unreleased tracks on his website (http://joelmcneely.com/filmography/soldier) including his previously-mentioned End Credits. I recommend checking this score out if you are a fan of Air Force One, The Avengers, Virus, or Terminal Velocity.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2014 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The score is a straight-out Goldsmith hommage, in my opinion, but very enjoyable. Here's an old thread we did on it:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=21019&forumID=1&archive=1

I really love the film too, and re-visited it recently as I was preparing my review on Anderson's POMPEII. 80s-type action storytelling combined with a biting revenge thriller -- plus, it's part of the BLADE RUNNER universe. I dig it!

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2014 - 3:53 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

10 years later and I still have the same opinion big grin

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2014 - 5:02 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I did a new cover for iTunes:

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/bondo321/Cover-Front1_zps8508703f.png?t=1400065182


Also a few more McNeely scores:

THE AVENGERS (1998)
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/bondo321/Cover-Front1_zps53d44590.png?t=1400065181

VIRUS (1999)
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/bondo321/Cover-Front1_zpsd9818e08.png?t=1400065185

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2014 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Neat interview, neat covers.

Based on Joel's comments, you can definitely count me in for a "Deluxe Edition" of this one should Varese start doing those more actively for their 90s titles.

You should add it to this list:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=94153&forumID=1&archive=0

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2014 - 6:59 PM   
 By:   jeff1   (Member)

The producers clearly wanted but could not afford Goldsmith at the time.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2014 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

The producers clearly wanted but could not afford Goldsmith at the time.

Maybe, but McNeely's score is pure dynamite, just as good as any 90s Goldsmith action score if you ask me (and there are few - if any - bigger fans of 90s Goldsmith action scores than me).

It's a fantastic album, too, so if there was even better music that didn't make it (it's been so long since I watched the terrible film, I don't remember) then a deluxe edition could be spectacular.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2014 - 9:05 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I just watched it last night, and there is probably a good 25-30 min of unreleased score, including the entire opening montage of Todd in battle. McNeely was right, it's good stuff too wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2014 - 11:01 PM   
 By:   scrapsly   (Member)

Count me in for an expanded SOLDIER by Joel McNeely. Great action music ! Count me in on any Joel McNeely expanded or released for the first time.

 
 Posted:   May 16, 2014 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

Count me in for an expanded SOLDIER by Joel McNeely. Great action music ! Count me in on any Joel McNeely expanded or released for the first time.


A number of unreleased tracks are available on McNeely's website...

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2014 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   betenoir   (Member)

Count me in for an expanded SOLDIER by Joel McNeely. Great action music ! Count me in on any Joel McNeely expanded or released for the first time.

I'm listening to unreleased tracks on McNeely's site now. Count me in too, if someone can do an expanded release. Perhaps MV at La-La Land?

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2014 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   amatalqa   (Member)

Count me in too. I'm a big McNeely fan. I recently discovered his beautiful score for Lover's Prayer on iTunes. Highly recommended to any fans.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2016 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Just bumping this thread up as I've been listening to McNeely's work all week. We REALLY need expanded/complete versions of his scores, most notably Soldier, Virus, The Avengers, Terminal Velocity and Mulan 2. As much as I love his Tinkerbell scores, I feel that he's criminally underutilized these days.

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2016 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Toby Reiser   (Member)

Wish he was scoring Rogue One.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2016 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   moviescore1   (Member)

Wish he was scoring Rogue One.

That makes two of us!!! Such an underrated composer!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2016 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Yes!!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2016 - 3:40 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Then there's this...

http://epicstream.com/news/Possible-Reason-Behind-Rogue-One-A-Star-Wars-Storys-Composer-Situation

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2016 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

Would love an expanded Soldier for to have all the brass chorale stuff that is only available on his website (I'm sure it was left off to avoid extra reuse fees). But as to having McNeely or any other composer copy Williams' sound on Star Wars, I'd just as soon have somebody write a good score in their own style instead. Too much of McNeely sounds like Williams because it IS Williams, just rearranged. Which is of course what the directors wanted. Using Williams' themes is one thing, but utilizing his compositional framework without the theme, like so many of the "Williams-like" composers lauded on this site have done, would just be sad.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2016 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   dr.doom   (Member)

Would love an expanded Soldier for to have all the brass chorale stuff that is only available on his website (I'm sure it was left off to avoid extra reuse fees). But as to having McNeely or any other composer copy Williams' sound on Star Wars, I'd just as soon have somebody write a good score in their own style instead. Too much of McNeely sounds like Williams because it IS Williams, just rearranged. Which is of course what the directors wanted. Using Williams' themes is one thing, but utilizing his compositional framework without the theme, like so many of the "Williams-like" composers lauded on this site have done, would just be sad.
Frederic talgorn has his own voice and sounds a lot like williams

 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2016 - 6:33 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Soldier is a great score. McNeely never disappoints and would knock a Star Wars score out of the ballpark like no one else.

 
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